--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > --- In 
> > > > > 
> > FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
> > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > > Judy writes:
> > > > > > And on the other hand, he's telling them that
> > > > > > they cannot trust their experience that they are
> > > > > > not enlightened and ought instead to accept the
> > > > > > authorities' assertion that they are already
> > > > > > enlightened.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Tom T writes:
> > > > > > The idea you are not enlightened is not an experience it 
is 
> > an 
> > > > idea.
> > > > > 
> > > > > <snore>
> > > > > 
> > > > > > The experience of awakening is very real, very visceral. 
It 
> is
> > > > > > profoundly based in the physiology.
> > > > > 
> > > > > So is the experience of ignorance.
> > > > > 
> > > > > > The idea of not being enlightened
> > > > > > is a story. Tell me where and how that idea "I am not 
> awake" 
> > > > > > is known in the gut of the physiology. Tom
> > > > > 
> > > > > That's exactly where it *is* known, of course.
> > > > 
> > > > I repeat last week's statement: "Stress is an excuse."
> > > 
> > > Did you think you were responding to a post that was
> > > talking about stress?
> > 
> > Insomuch as "stress" refers to anything that prevents one from 
> being 
> > enlightened spontaneously once their body reaches full maturity, 
> just 
> > about ALL the enlightened-oriented discussions in this forum have 
> > some reference to "stress."
> 
> This wasn't about what prevents one from being
> enlightened but rather what "ignorance" feels
> like in the body.

I would think that that still involves a peripheral discussion 
of "stress" using MMY's definition.




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