One of the Just Ones came to Sodom, determined to save its inhabitants from sin and punishment. Night and day the Just One walked the streets and markets preaching against greed and theft, falsehood and indifference. In the beginning, people listened and smiled ironically. Then they stopped listening; they were no longer amused. The killers went on killing, the wise kept silent, as if there were no Just One in their midst.
One day a child, moved by compassion, approached the unfortunate preacher with these words. "Poor stranger. You shout, you expend your body and soul; don't you see that it is hopeless?" "Yes, I see, " answered the Just One. "Then why do you go on?" "I'll tell you why. In the beginning, I thought I could change humankind. Today, I know I cannot. If I still shout today, if I still scream, it is to prevent humankind from ultimately changing me." ~Elie Wiesel http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elie_Wiesel ________________________________ From: seekliberation <seekliberat...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, October 1, 2011 8:24 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Greetings from Occupied Wall Street --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu <noozguru@...> wrote: > > The global economy is pretty far gone. The US banks sold a bunch of > toxic assets to a lot for foreign banks. A lot of foreign leaders about > now would probably secretly want to see the US nuked out of existence. > We are the 21st century bogeyman. the us banks don't really have much of value to offer to the rest of the world. We went off the gold standard a long time ago, and there is nothing 'real' that backs the US dollar anymore. We not only screwed ourselves in order to maintain a lifestyle that is unsustainable, but now we're screwing the rest of the world too. But hey, we're Americans, we get what we want and need, because that's how life automatically works! right? > > They could create a bank and put all those toxic assets in it and then > write it off. > > You may indeed see a total collapse but it may not result in a "Road > Warrior" society. Just a simpler more human and down to earth one. I'm not sure what city you live in, but look at what happens in towns like New Orleans or Los Angeles when the system breaks down. The midwest will be a rather safe place. But most cities i've lived in will get really ugly before they get better (if there is an actual 'total' collapse). In fact, the midwest is the only place in America i'd feel safe (for the most part). You can exclude certain parts of Texas and other remote areas where there are 'meth' labs. > Your mindset seems very conservative, much like a "hard liner." > Remember the Chinese hard liners? I equivocate hard liners with > assholes. If the rest of the world were like them we would still be > living in caves. I'm not a hardliner in terms of trying to force others to live according to my ideals. But I am a hardliner in terms of doing whatever I have to in order to take care of and provide for myself without screwing other people over. If that makes me an asshole, then i'm an asshole. I don't ask my parents for money, I don't max out credit cards, I don't declare bankruptcy and force other taxpayers to bail me out, I don't blame others for my problems, and the list goes on of what I won't do. Maybe being an asshole is the secret to not screwing others over. > Plus you sound very belligerent. Maybe you listen to Rush too much? > Perhaps you ought to actually trying seeking liberation rather than bondage. What are you accusing me of being attached to? I distinctly remember in my last post that it makes no difference to me what direction we go in. I can easily survive with things the way they are. If the system collapses, i'll find a way to get by. So for me, I have no reason to attach to anything, or try to avoid anything. You, on the other hand, seem to have a strong desire to go in a specific direction. That is attachment. Liberation involves letting go and not controlling, being able to get by regardless of external circumstances. Believe me, if there's an easier way, i'd love nothing more than to experience it. I would've been much happier in a country like Denmark. But I wasn't born there, so, in a true sense of what liberation means, I won't dwell on what isn't meant to be. Perhaps my cynacism is percieved as belligerence. I guess being surrounded by matierialists my whole life, I just love watching them be so frustrated and watch the walls come crumbling down in front of them. That's why I love the idea of seeing the system collapse. If you're theory that all the enlightened and intelligent people are going to revolt, take over, and establish a Utopia....then i've got no doubt i'm intelligent and industrious enough to be a prominent member of such a society and i'll be more than happy. I'll also be happy if things stay the way they are. I'll also be happy if I get dropped off in a 3rd world country village in South America. I'll also be happy if many other possibilities come true....life is bliss, remember? seekliberation > > On 10/01/2011 05:47 PM, seekliberation wrote: > >> The corporate media will try to make the protesters look stupid. > > They didn't have to try at all. > > > >> Corporations spend tons of money on marketing to fool all but the > >> clearest minded or wary to buy their shit. > > Then who's fault is it? If you're not going to have a clear mind, you'll > > be a victim in any society, America, Russia, any country in Africa, etc... > > > > > >> You mean that we had three presidents in a row who used drugs that > >> shouldn't have been illegal. If you want a saint to run your > >> government, good luck. > > Not necessarily. GWB and BHO both used drugs worse than marijuana. BHO > > admitted to it, and GWB was known, but I don't think he publicly admitted > > it. I do think that weed should be legal, but I have reservations about > > things that can make your heart stop....but that is a debatable issue > > itself. Regarding wanting a saint to run things, I don't expect that at > > all. All i'm saying is that we're no better than the people we're > > complaining about. > > > > > >> Your friends and relatives who don't want to work for $8-9 an hour > >> probably can't make ends meet on that or keep up with the rising cost of > >> food created by food speculators (a practice thatn needs to be highly > >> regulated and taxed). Many may know of an opportunity to return to work > >> at a wage nearer to what they had so don't want to be trapped if the > >> opportunity arises. > > They can't necessarily live as luxurious of a lifestyle with 8-9 an hour, > > but they can certainly use it to avoid going much further into the hole > > until something better comes around. My only point is that there are > > plenty of things people can do in the midst of this crisis, but the general > > attitude that i've seen is people feel 'too good' for some of these jobs. > > That also doesn't include people who have been fired repeatedly over the > > years, or people who have quit perfectly good jobs because they're 'too > > good' for those jobs. > > > >> And then many just feel like flipping off the world and that too is a > >> justifiable expression given to the times. > > yes, flip off the world, that accomplishes a lot. > > > >> "We are the 99 percent. We are getting kicked out of our homes. We are > >> forced to choose between groceries and rent. We are denied quality > >> medical care. We are suffering from environmental pollution. We are > >> working long hours for little pay and no rights, if we're working at > >> all. We are getting nothing while the other 1 percent is getting > >> everything. We are the 99 percent." > > Keep in mind as you complain about how horrible and difficult your life is, > > a garbage man or a pizza delivery man in today's world lives a more > > luxurious life with more entertainment than the King of England or the > > Emporor of Japan did 100 years ago. Our quality of life here in America is > > better than any civilization in the history of the world. I'd rather live > > in a trailer park in today's America than a castle in medeival times, or > > any time in history for that matter. > > > > Overall, if this world and this society is kicking your ass that bad, I > > feel bad for the hard road ahead of you. With the exception of a few > > countries in Europe (which I do admire, by the way), you'd have a hard time > > in just about any country at anytime in history(excluding souls incarnated > > in royal families). > > > >> Conditions like this lead to the Bolshevik revolution and the French > >> revolution. So..... > >> > >> Hey kids, what time is it? > >> It's revolution time > >> It's revolution time > >> Let's take the banksters down > >> and spread the wealth around. > > yeah, take down the system and create a new one. > > > > Considering how hard it seems for some of these people just to survive in > > this society, my perception is that these people not only couldn't organize > > an effective revolution, they probably couldn't even build up what they > > take down. If a 40+ hr work week kicks their ass, starting from scratch > > will make them suicidal. > > > > I, personally, could care less if the system falls apart or stays together. > > I will do what ever I have to. > > > > In a cynical way, I'd like to see the whole system collapse. Then, all the > > thugs and criminals will run rampant with no established government to keep > > them in check. It will be 'anything goes', anarchy. That would be so > > entertaining, I can't wait!!! Everytime a hurricane comes around, there > > will be noone to help, because the people who took over government already > > can't handle a full time job, how in the world are they going to react to a > > severe catastrophe or deal with really intense problems? > > > > seekliberation > > > > > > > > > >> Enjoy! > >> > >> > >> On 10/01/2011 06:52 AM, seekliberation wrote: > >>> I watched the protest on TV, and it was quite embarrasing. No > >>> intelligent discussion from any of the protesters. > >>> > >>> My POV towards the current economic state is that we're all responsible, > >>> collectively. It's the American way of life to buy things whether you > >>> have the money or not. In the late 90's/early 200's, the average family > >>> household had $10,000 in credit card debt. Remember MMY's analogy > >>> "Government is an innocent reflection of the collective consciousness of > >>> the people". So if we wonder why we have a government that can't balance > >>> a budget, it's because we have a society of people who can't balance > >>> their budget. We just had 3 presidents in a row who used illegal drugs. > >>> How did that happen? Because we have a society of people who use illegal > >>> drugs. Why do male politicians cheat on their spouses? Because American > >>> males cheat on their spouses. Congress simply does what we do. The only > >>> difference is that they're in a position where their actions can cause > >>> more destruction. We can't expect congress to have any higher ethical > >>> code than any of our common citizens. If we expect it, then we're pretty stupid. > >>> > >>> As for me, my contribution to the economy is that if i'm taxed higher, > >>> then I either work more, or spend less. As a result, I don't go in debt, > >>> I don't declare bankruptcy, I don't default on my mortgage, and most of > >>> all, I don't take from others unless i'm giving. > >>> > >>> IMHO, over the past few decades there's been a decrease in the percentage > >>> of people in our society who think that way. Our society has become > >>> symbolic of the rich kids in the neighborhood who think everything in > >>> life will be alright because mommy and daddy are so rich. But the kids > >>> don't realize that mommy and daddy got their mansion, nice cars, and > >>> other luxaries with credit rather than actual money. Now the kids just > >>> realized that they should've been preparing for turning 18 instead of > >>> playing video games all thse years. That's our situation here in America > >>> now. Government is the mommy and daddy who coddled us saying "don't > >>> worry baby, we'll take care of you", and we're the idiots who sat around > >>> enjoying all those benefits without preparing for the reality that we > >>> will turn 18 some day, and mommy and daddy won't be around to take care > >>> of us anymore. > >>> > >>> Remember MMY's other analogy...."problems are solved on the level of the > >>> individual". So, IMHO, we don't need a new policy or a new bill. We > >>> need a transformation in our society at the individual level. People > >>> need to change their values and take a realistic look at how much effort > >>> it's going to take to provide for themselves and be willing to adapt and > >>> adjust. I know many people jobless right now. Funny thing is, there are > >>> tons of jobs out there. But most of my friends and family refuse to work > >>> for $8-9 and hour. Why? I guess they think they're above it, just like > >>> the rich kids analogy previously. > >>> > >>> seekliberation > >>> > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu<noozguru@> wrote: > >>>> Well, seek, what kind of solutions do you have? Or do you just favor > >>>> the status quo (also known as the same ol' same ol' )? > >>>> > >>>> I'm sure at the beginning of the decade, retiring bankers looked at the > >>>> new crop of bright-eyed and bushy-tailed MBAs entering the offices and > >>>> ran home, sold their stock and bought gold. :-D > >>>> > >>>> On 09/30/2011 04:22 PM, seekliberation wrote: > >>>>> I'm sure that the protest solved major economic problems, and that if > >>>>> the people protesting were in charge of business and major economic > >>>>> policies, the whole economic mess we have would have never occurred. > >>>>> > >>>>> seekliberation > >>>>> > >>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, nablusoss1008<no_reply@> wrote: > >>>>>> Welcome login<https://occupywallst.org/login/> | signup > >>>>>> <https://occupywallst.org/signup/> [Raised Fist] > >>>>>> OccupyWallStreet > >>>>>> <https://occupywallst.org/> The resistance continues at Liberty > >>>>>> Square > >>>>>> and Nationwide<http://occupytogether.org/> ! > >>>>>> * News<https://occupywallst.org/> > >>>>>> * LiveStream<http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution> > >>>>>> * Forum<https://occupywallst.org/forum/> > >>>>>> * Chat<https://occupywallst.org/chat/> > >>>>>> * User Map<https://occupywallst.org/attendees/> > >>>>>> * NYCGA<http://nycga.cc/> > >>>>>> * About<https://occupywallst.org/about/> > >>>>>> * Donate<http://nycga.cc/?page_id=377> > >>>>>> *<http://www.facebook.com/OccupyWallSt> > >>>>>> <https://twitter.com/#!/OccupyWallSt> > >>>>>> <http://www.reddit.com/r/occupywallstreet/> > >>>>>> Greetings from Occupied Wall Street, > >>>>>> <https://occupywallst.org/article/greetings-occupied-wall-street/> > >>>>>> Posted Sept. 30, 2011, 5:06 a.m. EST by OccupyWallSt > >>>>>> <https://occupywallst.org/users/OccupyWallSt/> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Occupy Wall Street has recently come into the media spotlight, not > >>>>>> because of our political message, but because certain high-ranking > >>>>>> members of the NYPD punched, threw, and stepped on peaceful marchers. > >>>>>> Arrestees were handcuffed so tight their hands turned blue. Many of > >>>>>> these people have yet to regain feeling in their extremities. A senior > >>>>>> police officer infamously forced women into pens and maced them at > >>>>>> point-blank range. While we vehemently condemn these abuses of power, > >>>>>> we > >>>>>> urge all who read this to remain focused on our intended message. Abuse > >>>>>> of power is abuse of power. Whether perpetrated by Wall Street bankers > >>>>>> or members of the NYPD, it is the duty of all citizens to oppose > >>>>>> injustice. We condemn the actions of unprofessional police who used > >>>>>> excessive force in subduing a peaceful march. But we are foremost here > >>>>>> to oppose the growing power of the ruling class. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Let us also be clear that, when approached as individuals, members of > >>>>>> the NYPD have expressed solidarity with our cause. It has been > >>>>>> inspiring > >>>>>> to receive this support. Over these thirteen days, we have learned that > >>>>>> no one supports corporations' disproportionate influence in the > >>>>>> political sphere. We have learned that no one is in favor of evicting > >>>>>> struggling families to the street while banks continue to profit. No > >>>>>> one, that is, except the corporations and banks. We urge members of the > >>>>>> NYPD to remain in solidarity with our cause. These men and women could > >>>>>> lose their pensions and benefits during the next round of budget cuts. > >>>>>> We ask that members of the NYPD treat all peaceful human beings with > >>>>>> respect and care. This will be a great step towards reclaiming power > >>>>>> for > >>>>>> the working class. Those who profit off the suffering of others will > >>>>>> held accountable. We are the 99%, and we are too big to fail. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Tonight we march to One Police Plaza. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> 66 Comments > >>>>>> <https://occupywallst.org/article/greetings-occupied-wall-street/#commen\ > >>>>>> ts> > >>>>>> Day 12<https://occupywallst.org/article/day-12/> > >>>>>> Posted Sept. 29, 2011, 10:26 p.m. EST by OccupyWallSt > >>>>>> <https://occupywallst.org/users/OccupyWallSt/> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> [Liberty Square Layout] > >>>>>> <https://occupywallst.org/media/img/LibertyPlaza500.jpg> > >>>>>> > >>> > > > > >
