--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote: > > Curtis, because you're one of my homeboys and we like a lot of the > same things and all, I'll take your advice and do everything you say > in this post. I'll do this knowing that it won't change a damned thing, > and that the Spiritual Vigilantes (had to find a new name for them as > a performing group since there are now more than 3 of them and thus > "the Pips" is no longer appropriate) will keep up the same act anyway. > > And because you're one of my buds and all, I'll go even further. First, > I'll avoid giving away the real source of the "Robin wears women's > clothing when he posts" line that someone found so offensive here.
ME: That was a bit of passive aggressive private conversation betrayal Barry, what's up with that? The line you are referring to from a private email in the middle of July was: "But I had a good time uncovering his personal world like an anthropologist and I felt genuine affection and compassion for the guy. It would not surprise me in the least if on meeting him he was dressed as a woman." It reflected the context of a lot of emphasis on Lady Gaga in our discussions which could be taken as code, and I was genuinely wondering. My amended view of his orientation came as a result of personal emails. And it was not meant as a putdown, but as my perspective that I was dealing with a person who lives very far outside the box. And I still feel that way about Robin, although not in this specific way. So I guess the gang has uncovered their cherished goal of getting me to sincerely correct your behavior about something Barry. I would appreciate if you kept the contents of our private emails between us, and especially don't want it used outside the intended context to make me look like a dick. > Second, I'll promise not to reveal the details of any of those private > email exchanges that some on the vigilante squads have accused us > of having behind their backs in our continuing attempts to tell lies > about them, TM, Maharishi, and the American Way. Third, I'll > listen to more of the Delta Blues from time to time, even though > it's not my favorite kinda music. > > I hope that this will help to keep us best buds, because as everyone > knows best buds have to agree with each other about pretty much > everything in life. > > Yo, > > Barry > > P.S. For the record, I don't think Robin is gay either. I was merely > using a good one-liner I heard from somewhere to point out the > rather drama-queen-y / drag queen-y nature of some of his suck-up > verbiage. If I were to really guess as to his sexuality I would assume > him to be asexual, because I honestly can't see anyone that narcissistic > having a real-life relationship with anyone other than themselves, be > they male or female. > > P.S.S. I sure hope that P.S. wasn't offensive. Could you check with the > standard-keeper for me? > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > Barry, > > > > <That's where I think the real connection to FFL -- especially > recently > > -- comes in. This place has been a hotbed of people asserting that > they > > not only have the right to try to change people they don't like, > they've > > been asserting that it's some kind of ethical or moral duty, and that > > anyone who *doesn't* "do as they do" and try to impose their view of > how > > things should be on others is ethically deficient. > > > > Bzzzzzt. As Curtis has pointed out so well, this just does not > compute. > > The only environment in which such a 'tude *does* compute is a cult, > > especially one that has a history of treating its members like > children > > who "need" to be corrected by their betters. In other words, the TM > > movement. > > > > Such a sense of entitlement has no place on a forum composed of > adults. > > Adults don't really need anyone to "stand up for them" when someone > says > > something about them that they might not agree with. Adults suck it up > > and realize that the other person's view of them is just as valid as > > their own. They don't go around trying to impose their values on other > > people; they just do what adults do, try to do their best to live up > to > > their own values, and allow others to do the same. Groups can't become > > cults if the people in them act like adults. They can only become > cults > > if most of them act like children, and as if the gurus and the fellow > > cultists around them trying to make them "more like them" are right.> > > > > Hey Barry, > > > > Hey listen, uh...I've been hearing some things from people that you > said some things that they don't like and found offensive...and since > you and I get along here pretty well...uh I was wondering if you could > uh do..er...not do...say,,,I not mean say anything that people might > find offensive here? Now I read your first post to Robin where you > called him a drama queen and accused him of acting as if he wanted us to > treat him as a special person and you really let him have it and said > that you were not going to treat him that way and that he is boring to > you. Robin responded and I guess you had a few dustups after that > because apparently some people here believe you were "sadistic" and > "offensive" in those posts. > > > > ow as you know I've been having fun in long discussions with Robin so > I seem to have a different opinion of him and since we are friends and > all I was just thinking that it is probably my right to ask you to think > more like me now and like Robin and not say anything to him that others > might find offensive. Now I know this may be pushing our friendship a > bit far to ask that you be more like me but I've been accused of having > bad ethics and even encouraging you by not asking you to change in this > way,so I hope you understand. > > > > Just so we are clear and I can get this monkey off my back once and > for all, here is what I am asking: > > > > 1. Do not write things that anyone here might find offensive. If you > have any question about what this is the standard is Judy. > > > > 2. If you don't like someone here and find their persona offputting > please clear your objections with the rest of us before posting anything > that we might disagree with. You are a bad person and you should not > trust your judgement about this. Please leave this up to the > professionals. > > > > 3. When you say hurtful things to another adult on this forum it is > up to me to step in with a rolled up newspaper and tell you how bad you > are. This is a right I have been given because you and I don't fight > here. The reason we don't fight is not that we like each other but > because of our alpha male pact which was sealed that night we crossed > urine streams. That was not gay even though we saw each other's wieners > and in response to your unwarranted and sadistic chuckling at what you > referred to as my "peanut", I want you to know that some are for show > and some are for grow. Just because mine is neither, you had no right > to ask me if I was going to clear my zipper. And speaking of gay > topics... > > > > 4. I don't think Robin is gay. I don't know if you you were implying > that he was or offensively stating it in a manor unpleasing to some > other posters here, but I need you to think about him more as I do in > this way too. (And for the record if a guy wears women's clothes > underneath male ones that is not trans-sexual it is just a question of > comfort.) > > > > 5. I have noticed that you are not as interested in the blues as I > am. I hope you will honor my friendship rights by changing this. > > > > 6. You have been mean to Judy more than she has been mean to you by > her count. This is apparently meaningful. Please take note. In fact > from her POV you are actually the only mean one and she has been forced > (but not in a victim way) to respond to every one of your lies, > misrepresentations and offensive putdowns of her for the last 16 years. > Please stop miscounting how many times she mentions you in her posts. > (Please check with Judy for the technical reasons your count doesn't > count.) Please accept that her view is the objective reality and yours > is wrong. My view is also better but that is because you and I are > friendly and that is my right to assert. > > > > 7. I am not clear on everything you have said to Judy but you need to > change what you say so that she is never offended. She hates having to > correct you, it gives her no joy and she doesn't love it more than > anything else she posts here, and despite my impression that she has > spent a mindnumbing amount of time at this, it is not true that it is a > lot. It is mostly you who writes both your and her parts in the > thousands of posts that I have had to click over through the years. > > > > 8. I am not being friendly because I like you. I am afraid of you and > how you might say mean things to me if I don't cower to your awesome > alphaness. You are a rogue ape whose activities and misdeeds are worthy > of the amount of creative time eaten up by discussing your evil ways. ( > I hope this admission doesn't limit my friendship rights to change you > by speaking my opinions at you.) > > > > 9. If I had any more creative energy for this topic, I would insert > it here and really stick the landing inspiring the healing mirth of > laughter. Please laugh out loud here the way that laughing yogi does in > a fake-it-till-you-make-it way giving me credit for invoking that > reaction by being very funny. > > > > Well I gave it a shot everyone. And although I know in advance that > it was not good enough to satisfy your views of my obligations here, it > is the best that I can do with the inconvenient intrusion of my own POV > on all this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > To some extent, I've been less charmed by the latest two episodes of > > > HBO's "Enlightened" while watching it, but in retrospect I've > realized > > > that Mike White and Laura Dern *are* still dealing with material > that is > > > relevant to FFL and to the cult of spiritual narcissism; it's just > more > > > subtle than in the first 2 episodes. > > > > > > It's now been a week since Amy has returned from her idyllic > (although > > > enforced) retreat in Hawaii. Her epiphany -- whatever it was -- had > > > faded in significance, and now she's focused on trying to still > "live an > > > enlightened life" out in the real world. In Ep4, confronted with her > > > first weekend, she has to figure out what to do with it. > > > > > > She first decides to spend it meditating, which gives us a classic > (and > > > hilarious) opportunity to listen to her inner thoughts" in pretty > much > > > the classic TMer meditation. That is, all thoughts, no silence, all > > > trivia and self-involvement. Her first thoughts are about being 40 > and > > > having wrinkles. Then she "comes back to the mantra" and tries to > > > visualize something more positive, and lapses into thoughts of a > happier > > > time. But then, inspired by visions of that happy time, she sets out > to > > > recreate this fantasy happier time. And that's where the trouble > begins. > > > > > > She phones her ex-husband in the middle of the night, waking him, > and > > > tells him that he's just got to go off river rafting with her. At > 7:00 > > > AM the next morning. And here's where the connection to TM and to > > > cultism comes in; she doesn't *ask* him whether he wants to go, she > > > tells him that he needs to, and makes the reservations herself. > Being > > > essentially a nice guy, he thinks she's crazy, but agrees to go > anyway. > > > They get there, are out on the river, and for a few minutes both are > > > feeling a little of the fantasy happiness she was seeking. > > > > > > But then reality intrudes. She finds that he brought along a bag > full of > > > drugs and, offended in the way that only a New Age twif can be > offended, > > > throws them away. He goes ballistic, and storms away, her following. > As > > > he finds a new stash and gets high, she harangues him with what a > > > low-life he is, continually insisting that she's doing it for his > own > > > good, trying to get him to become the person he could be. Problem > is, > > > it's not the person he wants to be. From his POV (and, by this time, > the > > > audience's), *she* is the one living in a delusional world, and > worse, > > > she's consistently treating not only him but *everyone* around her > as if > > > they're lesser than she is. The *only* way she can imagine > interfacing > > > with these "lesser" people is to try to convert them, to infect them > > > with her hypomania and make them more like her. Fortunately Levi > (Luke > > > Wilson) finally has it up to here with her condescending, superior > BS > > > and tells her to fuck off and leave him alone. He tells her > something > > > she has never realized, that the way she sees him makes him feel > like > > > shit, because she sees him *as* shit, compared to her and her new > > > fantasy lifestyle. > > > > > > That's where I think the real connection to FFL -- especially > recently > > > -- comes in. This place has been a hotbed of people asserting that > they > > > not only have the right to try to change people they don't like, > they've > > > been asserting that it's some kind of ethical or moral duty, and > that > > > anyone who *doesn't* "do as they do" and try to impose their view of > how > > > things should be on others is ethically deficient. > > > > > > Bzzzzzt. As Curtis has pointed out so well, this just does not > compute. > > > The only environment in which such a 'tude *does* compute is a cult, > > > especially one that has a history of treating its members like > children > > > who "need" to be corrected by their betters. In other words, the TM > > > movement. > > > > > > Such a sense of entitlement has no place on a forum composed of > adults. > > > Adults don't really need anyone to "stand up for them" when someone > says > > > something about them that they might not agree with. Adults suck it > up > > > and realize that the other person's view of them is just as valid as > > > their own. They don't go around trying to impose their values on > other > > > people; they just do what adults do, try to do their best to live up > to > > > their own values, and allow others to do the same. Groups can't > become > > > cults if the people in them act like adults. They can only become > cults > > > if most of them act like children, and as if the gurus and the > fellow > > > cultists around them trying to make them "more like them" are right. > > > > > > Me, in this rap and in any of my others, I'm not trying to change > any of > > > you and make you more like anything, much less me. All I do > occasionally > > > is point out that there are many on this forum who ARE trying to > change > > > you and make you more like them. If you like that, and like being > > > treated like children by those who feel that they are entitled to > treat > > > you that way, go for it. I'm going to -- as Curtis suggests -- focus > > > more on ignoring the "entitled" and hanging out with folks who are a > > > little more like adults. > > > > > >
