Wait a minute, Vaj. The TM puja is the same as used by many Hindus. When I
initiated Hindus from India they could sing it along with me - pretty much word
for word. What ever else you might think of TM, this is not something MMY
hobbled together at all.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajradhatu@...> wrote:
>
>
> On Nov 7, 2011, at 12:18 PM, richardwillytexwilliams wrote:
>
> > Vaj:
> > > ...it does not come from a real lineal tradition,
> > > it's something Mahesh made up.
> > >
> > What exactly, are the parts by MMY that are different
> > from those recited by GD? From what I've heard, the
> > MMY GD puja is standard - I've heard it recited by
> > at least three sources other than the TMO, such as
> > at a recent Sri Sri Ravi Shankar yoga camp. Sri Sri
> > says it's the same as the one recited by GD, the one
> > recited at the Jyortirmath Peeth in the Himalayas.
>
> Explain how Mahesh used what was to be thrown away to hobble together
> the puja:
>
> http://www.paulmason.info/gurudev/sources/text/MMY.htm
>
> Right from the very early times, MMY definitely claimed that the
> meditation he teaches (TM) was taught to him by Guru Dev [a fact now
> known to be false]. A look at page 244 of 'Thirty Years Around the
> World' (a TMO publication by Maharishi Vedic University, 1986)
> confirms this.
>
> Allegedly on 29th April 1959 Maharishi Mahesh Yogi told journalists:-
>
> 'My life truly began 19 years ago at the feet of my master when I
> learned the secret of swift and deep meditation, a secret I now
> impart to the world.'
>
> In the TM puja there are four lines which refer directly to Guru Dev:
>
> yadvaare nikhilaa nilimpaparishatsiddhiM vidhatte.anisham
> shrimat shriilasitaM jagadgurupadaM natvaa.atmatR^iptiM gataaH
> lokaaGYaanapayoda paaTanadhuraM shriisha~NkaraM sharmadam
> brahmaanandasaraswatiiM guruvaraM dhyaayaami jyotirmayam
>
> which means:-
>
> 'At whose door the whole galaxy of gods pray for perfection day and
> night.
> Adorned by immeasurable glory, preceptor of the whole world, having
> bowed down to Him, we gain fulfilment.
> Skilled in dispelling the cloud of ignorance of the people, the
> gentle emancipator,
> Brahmananda Saraswati, the supreme teacher, full of brilliance, on
> Him we meditate.'
>
> Maharishi explains who wrote these lines:-
>
> 'This was done by us, I didn't compose those lines, because I am not
> a Sanskrit scholar, but this was done by a, very, very eminent
> Sanskrit poet of Banares, and he was, such a mysterious man, the poet
> 1. He used to live us, just like us, and a good pandit, and when
> some, some pandits, learned people used to come to pay their respects
> to Guru Dev, and he would sit like that. And generally it is
> traditional, that in the presence of Shankaracharya, pandits gather.
> Pandits mean the learned people, highly great intellectuals of the
> country. They sit together, and they, try to bring home to
> Shankaracharya, each one of them, that he is the greater pandit than
> the others. And these dialogues are so highly intellectual and so
> very interesting, because they, everyone wants to, to win the grace
> of Shankaracharya, apart from his spiritual development for their
> material glorification, because a certificate from the
> Shankaracharya, of the great learning of the pandits will make him
> flourish in his area. So, they, very beautiful, and this pandit he
> used to defeat everyone, because he was a born poet, poet. He would
> versify anything that he wants to say. In poetry he would speak. And
> when in poetry, and so fluent and so high-class, so, high-class
> fluent Sanskrit poetry, and others would just sit and listen to him,
> what he says.
> He was very dear, sweet pandit. He wrote lots of stanzas of Guru Dev,
> absolutely and, and this was one of them.
> What happened was... this is very interesting.... this great pandit
> in his flight of, of the poet, he wrote Guru Dev's life, and he, he
> didn't know Guru Dev's life. Because all the time was spent in
> loneliness in the jungles, and, nobody would know.
>
> And he said to me, "I am going to write."
>
> And I said "Yes, you write", and this was our agreement that I'll get
> it printed, and he wrote, and I enjoyed it so much, but someday it
> was to come to Guru Dev for sanction. So, Guru Dev, he enjoyed
> hearing the whole thing. It was highly scholarly and very great, and
> everything that, that a good poet could put in that, he put it.
> And then, when it was finished Guru Dev said, "It's very good, yes."
> And when the pandit went out of the room he asked him to take it to
> the Ganges, tie it down with a big stone, heavy, put it in the Ganges.
> And I, it was a shock to me, I said "But, but there are beautiful
> passages in it".
>
> He said, "Don't talk!'
>
> He said, "Nobody should read it, tell him to take it", it is because
> he didn't know his life and he said "If you don't put it in the
> Ganges I'll ask someone else to do it."
>
> I said, "I'll do it".
>
> We would have used all those beautiful, sen... poetry. These days you
> would have enjoyed all. But he wouldn't allow it to remain.
>
> He was absolutely divine, simple and great, very great, he was very
> great.'
>
> Note
> 1. The poet was 'Ashu Kavi', Pandit Veni Madhava Sastri.
>
> Maharishi Mahesh Yogi speaking in February / March 1969 in Rishikesh
> India
>
