On Dec 1, 2011, at 10:03 AM, turquoiseb wrote:
> Well, I try to be sensitive to the fact that this whole thing > has to have been very traumatic for R. By "this whole thing" do you mean someone producing another first-hand view of his past antics, to balance the somewhat...uh...unbalanced view of them that he presents? :-)
I meant that fall of the World Teacher Seminar and RWC had to be a difficult thing to endure, esp. coming after Mahesh's denunciation of him in Iowa court.
> It's amazing that none of the video has been leaked yet, but > that's > really just a matter of converting the old analog video to digital > and we could have them up on YouTube quickly thereafter. The > pathology of supposed higher states of consciousness - meditative > disease - is a new field really, and I think video documentation > could go a long way to helping jumpstart that field, potentially > preventing suffering from faux meditative lineages like Mahesh & > Co. It IS fascinating how the "I'm enlightened...adore me" meme keeps coming up in and around the TMO. Gemma was essentially running the same number back in Fiuggi. She was having some intermittent flashes of what she assumed was CC, as were several others of us. Most of us wisely kept it to ourselves; she started "holding court" and "counseling" others on how they could get as enlightened as she was just by hanging around with her and basking in her darshan. Sound familiar? :-)
Very much so. It's a pattern I've been literally observing for decades, and it clearly is a samsaric pattern.
What's interesting to me is that both G. and RWC became devout Catholics after this. Now there's a past life history that would likely be very interesting. I wonder if Robin has had any glimpses of a previous connection. They tangibly felt as if they were made for each other.
> > But maybe he's explained and I missed it. That's quite > > possible because as I've said often, I don't find the guy > > interesting enough to read what he writes, much less > > interact with him. The only thing that fascinates me about > > him is how many suckers flocked around him back in the > > day, and how many still do. As I've suggested before, there > > is just no accounting for bad taste and low standards. :-) > > Well, it's the principle of charm applied to sociology: RWC > was and still is in many ways, a very charming man. I'll take your word for it, though I have seen no evidence of that here. :-) > However I think this is a common mode of functioning in certain > Axis II disorders and oddly a perfect match for some Me Decade > types, who tended to already have similar traits, and thus > self-select for such courses. Yup. The people drawn to such "adore me" so-called teachers very often are seeking the same role for themselves someday. Scratch a modern-day pretend teacher and you'll almost always find that they learned their trade from one or more other pretend teachers cut from the same pattern. > I remember specifically the moment I knew his World Teacher > Seminar was harming others. It was one of those late night > chats with other CP's and one of the course participants > revealed that he was gay. He wasn't just gay, he was > addicted to cock. Any size, shape or form he could get > his mouth on. Since RWC's opinion on homosexuality was > unknown, he was greatly concerned that if this was known, > he would be grilled on the stage, at the microphone and > be declared "demonic", thus forced to endure humiliation > and persecution. Given how he reacted to my suggestion that he was acting a lot like a closet drag queen trying to seduce straight men with his modern-day "adore me and praise me" routine here, one suspects that the poor guy was right in keeping it hidden from Robin-ji. It also speaks volumes about Robin himself that the person who claimed to be able to see demons in other people was incapable of detecting something as simple and ordinary in one of their followers as being gay. > The utter terror he felt was palpable and you could have > heard a pin drop as he told his story. And similar to the > Gemma story, others on these course were often worried > about associating with potentially demonic people, > either in a guilt by association/birds of a feather flock > together kind of way, or as a form of psychic contagion. Well, from what I heard that is how the Canadian TM organization reacted to *her* once she went back home and continued "holding court" there. I heard -- although I can't ever be sure that it was true because she was on one side of Canada and I was on the other -- that she was banned from the local TM center for doing this. And we all know what happened to Robin when he started "holding court," don't we? Isn't it fascinating that the first thing people who have been ostracized for being "off the program" themselves do when they form some kind of sub-cult is to set up a structure in their own organizations that mirrors that behavior? It's almost like the recurring situation of kids abused as children growing up to be child abusers themselves. Again, all this is moot to me. I haven't seen Gemma since Fiuggi, or wanted to. I was *long* gone from the TMO by the time Robin made his big splash in the tiny, tiny, oh-so-tiny pond of Fairfield. All I really know of him is what has been said here and my first exper- iences trying to plow through his incoherent and personality-disordered writing on FFL. I gave it up as not worth my time very quickly. The only thing that fascinates me about it -- as I've said before -- is how unbelievable it is to me that anyone fell for his act then, or now. "Low standards" is the only phrase I can come up with to explain it.
The only thing I've wondered since then is if RWC and his schtick had some connection to my own karma surrounding the practice of the Chod. I cold dropped an article on Chod here that I felt touched on the deeper underlying issues involved to see if anyone would take a bite, and one of them was actually someone who had had a profound experience in demonic confrontation with Robin: Rory.
