Hi Bob, I did not try to "cyber lynch" Ravi, so please include me with Oboe and the others. RD has been on here a long time and Ravi's stuff didn't fit the object of his rant, however well intentioned.
As for the implication to us all through the video clip, I grew up with brown people, not whiteys. I lived mostly in SE Asia until I was 19. They raised me. I spoke the languages of Indonesia, the Philippines and Hong Kong. Thankfully the last two were primarily English, with a smattering of Tagalog and Cantonese. Also lived in Mexico, Spain, Fiji, and Surinam. So no big deal about Ravi having a really, really good tan. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bob Price <bobpriced@...> wrote: > > RD, > > Since the *attempted* cyber lynching appears to be all but over, except for > the clean up, I have a couple of questions for you below; > > ________________________________ > From: raunchydog <raunchydog@...> > > Hi Robin, > > > >>>>RD: I really don't know Ravi very well at all. I haven't read his posts > >>>>with much interest except to notice that he has had some enjoyable back > >>>>and forth banter with Denise/Emily and Bob Price. My initial experience > >>>>of Ravi was about a year ago when he got into such a depressive state > >>>>that we had extensive discussions about his mental health and concern > >>>>that he might commit suicide. Since then I see that he has come back from > >>>>the brink but rightly or wrongly, I still see him as an unstable > >>>>individual with the potential to go off the rails again. Given his > >>>>history, I think Alex's explanation for what might have happened with > >>>>Ravi in the past seems to ring true. > > > ***BP: Do I understand correctly that the reason you *attempted* to provoke > Ravi was your concern for his mental stability? Do I also understand > correctly that the *attempted* lynching of Raja Ravi Yogi, by pretty much all > of FFL (excluding Judy, Edg and Oboe) was also out of concern for his mental > health; and we should ignore the fact that the *attempted* lynching was lead > by those paragons of emotional maturity Curtis and Bubbles? In addition, the > stated fact: "I really don't know Ravi very well at all." is no barrier to > your meditation or an accurate diagnosis of his mental state, and further, > being the trained mental health professionals that you and the Alex must so > obviously be, the two of you had no doubt that provoking him was the high > road to his recovery? I want to thank you for clearing that up; I'm a bit > slow; I had thought it was that the two of you were being passive aggressive > and working on some issues, and Ravi, as always, was more than > happy to help you out. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgKXK9giPYQ&feature=related > > > > > >>>>Alex: "I can see why many traditions of awakening get the samskara/vasana > >>>>inner work out of the way before awakening, because once sole identity > >>>>with the I/me story is broken, it is tempting to disregard the story as > >>>>unimportant and let it act out messily. Also, for people with serious > >>>>mental health issues, nondual awakening can make matters worse." > > > ***BP: I'm sure I'm wrong about this; on the off chance Raja Ravi Yogi was > using closet and Mother Teresa as a metaphors for ignorance and hypocrisy > respectively, would it be fair to interpret yours and Alex's posts as > *attempts*, to provoke Ravi; and having the heart of a lion, in a herd of > zebras, he accommodated you?   > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLFi9Xd7yys > > > >>>>RDOG: As long as Ravi isn't threatening to do himself in, I don't make > >>>>any claims to know the nature of his present mental stability. I'm just > >>>>circumspect about it. > > > ***BP: Since most of us didn't know Raja Ravi Yogi was attempting to off > himself (including Ravi) the fact that you and the Alex have his back, will > make all of us rest much easier. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l81W-jcOuj0 > > > > >>>RDOG: Ravi claims he is enlightened. I don't know what that means to him > >>>or to anyone else. We all have a POV about it. Maybe I'm misjudging him, > >>>or just plain don't understand him but I get the feeling that he thinks > >>>his enlightenment gives him a pass to be Mr. Natural of inhibitions. I > >>>don't know if anyone's perception of him as enlightened has any bearing on > >>>how they choose to interact with him. Regardless, IMO it shouldn't be an > >>>excuse to treat him with deference or give him a pass if he chooses to be > >>>an asshole. > > > ***BP: This one caught my attention as it seems to be going viral (think > recent posts from Rick, Curtis and Bubbles), is there any training needed to > be able to measure another persons state of consciousness, or motivation, for > that matter? If so, I'm thinking we need an inspector certification to avoid > people running around making claims that cannot be substantiated (you know, > things like: I was just kidding; he over reacted, because my feelings are > hurt---that sort of thing); I'm thinking ISO 666 would be catchy, since most > of 9000 is gone. We could take a vote on this, much like the recent > *attempted* lynching (sorry, I meant vote) on Raja Ravi Yogi's behavior. My > vote would be that we get Rick certified; I think that would really up the > overall feel and exclusivity of the place, cause frankly, since Judy and Ravi > posted out, the place is feeling a bit paltry. > > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_9000 > > > > > >>>>RDOG: I don't doubt the rawness of emotion he felt when he went off on > >>>>his blow job rant. He intended to offend me. Yes, I felt offended, not > >>>>for his personal attack on me but for the stench it created in the air on > >>>>FFLife. Obviously, I provoked that in him by sending him some fairly > >>>>stinky barbs myself. Just to be clear, I don't take his reaction to me as > >>>>a lesson that I should somehow appreciate his rancor as an opportunity to > >>>>reflect upon any darkness residing in the deepest part of my being. > >>>>Perhaps this is the premise of those who see him as a Guru. I do not. > > > ***BP: I'm sure I speak for many in thanking you for your concern for the > sensibilities of FFL, I was particularly concerned about Steve's wife---I > understood from his post that he was concerned that if his wife read ones of > Raja Ravi Yogi's posts she might have some kind of reaction, although I don't > think Ravi is the type of enlightened man that runs off with another mans > wife, particularly a friends---like he considers Steve. I did have one > question though; are you more concerned for my sensibilities or Raja Ravi > Yogi's mental stability? > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAqmzmirixg&feature=related > > > > >>>>RDOG: I'll own my part in provoking him. I doubt that he owns his > >>>>provocative behavior when he gay-baited Alex or dismissed me as a woman. > >>>>In fact it was his stated intention to be provocative. This whole > >>>>brouhaha between Ravi and me has turned out to be quite embarrassing in > >>>>that I don't enjoy bringing attention to myself. > > > >>>RDOG: I like flying under the radar, posting mostly political stuff so > >>>that I can vent my frustrations about the sorry state of the state. I > >>>think it's important to be informed about current events. I try to make > >>>sense of complicated issues admittedly from a rock solid liberal POV and > >>>that may cause me to tilt at a few windmills, but so be it, at least I > >>>care about what happens to my country. > > > ***BP: As someone who may be the farthest to the left FFL has to offer, I'm > guessing Ravi is a > dyed in the wool progressive; that said, I believe, like me, he has > other outlets for his politics, and, he finds, pointing out what pompous > asses and hypocrites, most of us are, much more rewarding (I could be > talking my own book here). IMHO, besides any quesion of Ravi's mental > health, the biggest canards in the *attempted* lynching of Raja Ravi Yogi are > the nonsense > that Ravi is homophobic or sexist. > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jF0fIO4tk-g > > > > >>>RDOG: I don't know if anything I've said answers your doubts about dealing > >>>with Ravi effectively or if I've adequately resolved any remaining > >>>personal issues with him to your satisfaction, but it's the best that I've > >>>got for now. > > >>>RDOG:Just for the record, I don't believe in censorship. It's up to Rick > >>>if he wants to boot someone off. The minimal standard on FFLife is that we > >>>don't post anything that would cause Yahoo to give us an XXX rating. In > >>>Ravi's case, he stepped over the line using abusive, pornographic language > >>>and offended the sensibilities of what a few posters feel is in good > >>>taste, but IMO Ravi's tirade didn't rise to a level that calls for > >>>censorship. Maybe there's an element of chivalry of from the guys (deep > >>>bow), but I think it's more likely they reacted to what they personally > >>>considered offensive. Vaj and Barry regularly stink up the place and we > >>>put up with it. So there's a place in the firmament of stinkers on FFLife > >>>for Ravi as well as myself. I just hope to be a better person from the > >>>experience and consider it a lesson learned for moving on. > > > > ***BP: Again, please forgive the few of us that think, its end to end > hypocrisy, when Ravi escalates, when provoked, and FFL's lord and master > makes rules *on the fly* for the obvious purpose of making Ravi an example > when he could just as easily emailed him directly (one assumes, like the rest > of us Rick has Ravi's email), and then the class president reappears and > calls for a gang bang. I'm sure, its just me, but calling what Vaj and > Bubbles do "regularly stinking up the place" seems a touch understated, as > does trying to call the *attempted* lynching a "double standard". Its a > good thing we have no racists on FFL or I could go on forever. In closing, I > must qualify my use of the word lynching; I have no doubt once Raja Ravi Yogi > returns we will know that the lynching was *attempted* > ---at best (so buckle up). > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JZCS5I80X-8&feature=related > > >   >
