The immediate urgent priority for world peace is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only 2000 Flyers, rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will bring security to America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict in the world.
> > > Go together, speak together, > know your minds to be functioning together from a common source, > in the same manner as the impulses of creative intelligence, > in the beginning, > remain together united near the source. > > > > > > > Integrated is the expression of knowledge, > > an assembly is significant in unity, > > united are their minds while full of desires. > > For you , I make use of the integrated expression of knowledge. > > By virtue of unitedness and by means of that which remains to be united, > > I perform action to generate wholeness of life. > > > > > > > > United be your purpose, > > > harmonious be your feelings, collected be your mind, > > > in the same way as all the various aspects of the universe exist in > > > togetherness, wholeness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These TM Rajas, they should be apologizing to and asking for > > > > > forgiveness from the community. All those ones on the stage at that > > > > > meeting. Nadar-raam too. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, particularly those two Purusha Raja, Alex's brother and those > > > > large ones from Vedic City too on Maharaja's left and that over-stuffed > > > > Prime Minister one and those MUM people on Maharaja's right. These > > > > people in particular are in the way of World Peace on this. > > > > Something's got to change with them. We are all being held hostage by > > > > them. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, it is a bad corrosive policy with only poor success that they > > > > > > have had with the dome numbers. These TM-Rajas, they are > > > > > > completely holding back World Peace. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Given the quite strong and substantial peer-review science on all > > > > > > > this, it would seem these Raja evidently are holding back World > > > > > > > Peace with their anti-saint dome policy done this way they do. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These poor dome numbers here have long been the problem of this > > > > > > > policy they are keeping. It is a shame and a time is come to > > > > > > > change it. En lieu it would not be a bad thing to prosecute them > > > > > > > all for crimes against humanity at the World Court of > > > > > > > International Justice in the Hague. Their own research on > > > > > > > meditating groups coupled with their miserable dome numbers would > > > > > > > convict them. It is a sad case. A crime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The domes are full of people right now who have visited saints. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yep, evidently the Rajas have produced two domes full of > > > > > > > > > liars. That is a bad feeling there as in, not a good feeling > > > > > > > > > to have there underneath. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These TM Rajas, that large Prime Minister in particular, > > > > > > > > > > push people to lie, hide and kiss ass to stay in the domes. > > > > > > > > > > I interviewed a person recently who was on the Mother > > > > > > > > > > Divine program, she remarked that to survive on Mother > > > > > > > > > > Divine they would all "lie, hide and kiss-ass" about this. > > > > > > > > > > In people's life the TM anti-saint policy is quite without > > > > > > > > > > conscience for people to participate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The immediate urgent priority for national invincibility > > > > > > > > > > > and world peace > > > > > > > > > > > is to join the Invincible America Course at MUM. Only > > > > > > > > > > > 2000 Flyers, > > > > > > > > > > > rising to 2500, in Fairfield/Maharishi Vedic City will > > > > > > > > > > > bring security to > > > > > > > > > > > America and defuse the precarious escalation of conflict > > > > > > > > > > > in the world. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" > > > > > > > > > > > > wayback71@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 > > > > > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <wayback71@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <dhamiltony2k5@> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, it is really quite incredible that these > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TM Rajas should > > > > > > > > > > > even be going against Guru Dev's very certain spiritual > > > > > > > > > > > advice to make > > > > > > > > > > > use of our time on earth particularly by being with > > > > > > > > > > > saints. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh Please! They are not going against Guru Dev, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they are trying > > > > > > > > > > > to follow the guidelines set up by Maharishi himself long > > > > > > > > > > > ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, leave Guru Dev out of this, we don't know what > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he would have > > > > > > > > > > > said. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >MMY was entirely clear about all of this and never > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >ever budged > > > > > > > > > > > from his position. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi was clear, at times. This policy, I know, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > > > consolitated during the final period of his life, but it > > > > > > > > > > > wasn't always > > > > > > > > > > > the same. And Maharishi could make exceptions to this > > > > > > > > > > > rule, as I already > > > > > > > > > > > said, for example in Lelystad. I don't blame you if you > > > > > > > > > > > don't know that, > > > > > > > > > > > but he did budge from his position. But in setting up > > > > > > > > > > > 'rules', he would > > > > > > > > > > > have to teach the administration, and usually was strong > > > > > > > > > > > about it, I > > > > > > > > > > > agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The Rajas have to decide to make changes that MMY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > never did > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > He did. The rules before were different (for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > example before the > > > > > > > > > > > Muktananda event), and he would make exceptions himself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, maybe Maharishi would have changed this rule > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > by now, but > > > > > > > > > > > don't blame the Rajas or anyone else. This rule came from > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi and > > > > > > > > > > > he was BLUNT about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am sure he was blunt to the administration. Yet, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > as you say > > > > > > > > > > > yourself, it may be time for a change. The Rajas had no > > > > > > > > > > > problem skipping > > > > > > > > > > > the always-wear-a-crown thing, or inviting Beatles back, > > > > > > > > > > > and even more > > > > > > > > > > > so, use them for publicity, something unthinkable when > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi was > > > > > > > > > > > still alive. And they even loosened the saints rule a > > > > > > > > > > > bit, don't forget, > > > > > > > > > > > but what I suggest is, keep these changes logical and > > > > > > > > > > > transparent. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is illogical? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is a common belief in India, that once you > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have found your > > > > > > > > > > > Guru, you don't need anybody else, right? We have > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi, we don't > > > > > > > > > > > need Ammachi (or whoever), thats what you would hear in > > > > > > > > > > > private > > > > > > > > > > > conversations. That is to say, a Guru-Disciple > > > > > > > > > > > relationship is assumed. > > > > > > > > > > > The problem here is, that the TM movement is not at all > > > > > > > > > > > upfront that > > > > > > > > > > > this is the case. They are not telling, that Maharishi is > > > > > > > > > > > our guru, but > > > > > > > > > > > he is supposed only to be the founder of TM, at least > > > > > > > > > > > publicly. Now, > > > > > > > > > > > hence the confusion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now, with regard to Maharishi being 'Guru', if he > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is a Guru to the > > > > > > > > > > > TM people involved, to what people exactly? All TM > > > > > > > > > > > teachers? Also TM > > > > > > > > > > > teachers who are not really teachers anymore? And: Do > > > > > > > > > > > they know this? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Next: if we assume, that Maharishi is a guru to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people, which > > > > > > > > > > > is not publicly said, it would be still possible, that > > > > > > > > > > > people see > > > > > > > > > > > different saints, as long as they don't take teaching > > > > > > > > > > > from them, or > > > > > > > > > > > rather as long as they don't become their disciples > > > > > > > > > > > *simultaneausly*. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is an example often cited within TM, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > referring to Guru Dev, > > > > > > > > > > > not seeing another saint or speaker, who comes to town, > > > > > > > > > > > while all the > > > > > > > > > > > Gurubhais go there. He stays in the Ashram, as his heart > > > > > > > > > > > is completely > > > > > > > > > > > filled with his master. Now a guest comes, nobody is in > > > > > > > > > > > the Ashram to > > > > > > > > > > > receive him, except Guru Dev, taking care of him, and > > > > > > > > > > > finally the master > > > > > > > > > > > finds out about the story, and viola, GD is just the most > > > > > > > > > > > dedicated and > > > > > > > > > > > devoted disciple. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When citing this story, to TM teachers or sidhas, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > they usually > > > > > > > > > > > forget to say: GD was having a relationship with his > > > > > > > > > > > master that was > > > > > > > > > > > personal throughout, he lived with him, he watched him > > > > > > > > > > > daily, and he > > > > > > > > > > > lived in his vibration. He had a PERSONAL RELATIONSHIP to > > > > > > > > > > > his master. > > > > > > > > > > > But most people concerned from these policies, may even > > > > > > > > > > > never have seen > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi, or any enlightened at all! That is what Buck > > > > > > > > > > > is pointing out > > > > > > > > > > > completely rightly: GD says it is very important to seek > > > > > > > > > > > the company of > > > > > > > > > > > saints! But, not being able to see Maharishi anymore, or > > > > > > > > > > > even ever, the > > > > > > > > > > > people are deprived from this. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And then: in the example cited above, GD was so > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devoted that he > > > > > > > > > > > stayed in the Ashram, while all others saw the > > > > > > > > > > > saint/speaker. Do you > > > > > > > > > > > notice two things? There was NO RULE in the Ashram to > > > > > > > > > > > not see other > > > > > > > > > > > saints, they did so with permission. And second, when GD > > > > > > > > > > > stayed, he did > > > > > > > > > > > so OUT OF HIS OWN WILL, out of his spontaneous devotion, > > > > > > > > > > > not an IMPOSED > > > > > > > > > > > SHOW OF DEVOTION. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Two elements are present here: sponatneity of > > > > > > > > > > > > > > devotion, and I > > > > > > > > > > > think that is the only devotion worth considering, and a > > > > > > > > > > > real and lively > > > > > > > > > > > guru-disciple relationship. Now, consider yourself: is > > > > > > > > > > > this the case in > > > > > > > > > > > TM? Obviously not for most people, obviously less so for > > > > > > > > > > > more and more > > > > > > > > > > > people since Maharishi withdrew in Holland, and since > > > > > > > > > > > time passes ofter > > > > > > > > > > > his demiss. There will come a time, not too far away, > > > > > > > > > > > where there will > > > > > > > > > > > be nobody anymore, who has a living memory of Maharishi. > > > > > > > > > > > If you keep the > > > > > > > > > > > rules up like this, you will be just a cult. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Excellent points and I agree on all counts. I know > > > > > > > > > > > > > that my response > > > > > > > > > > > was coming from trying thru several posts over a long > > > > > > > > > > > length of time - > > > > > > > > > > > to get Buck to see that this is not a Raja problem, it is > > > > > > > > > > > a policy that > > > > > > > > > > > began with MMY. You may have heard him budge on it, but > > > > > > > > > > > I was in and > > > > > > > > > > > around for a long time and he was always crystal clear > > > > > > > > > > > about not going > > > > > > > > > > > to see other saints, and it was open knowledge for all > > > > > > > > > > > teachers. You > > > > > > > > > > > knew that if you did this and got seen, you could not > > > > > > > > > > > attend courses or > > > > > > > > > > > get advanced techniques or go to the Domes. I don't > > > > > > > > > > > agree with that, > > > > > > > > > > > but my point is that it was clear. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I especially like your point about having a guru > > > > > > > > > > > > > disciple > > > > > > > > > > > relationship - you nailed it. Without that relationship, > > > > > > > > > > > these TMO rules > > > > > > > > > > > seem really harsh and unreasonable. So we were asked to > > > > > > > > > > > act as if we had > > > > > > > > > > > this discipleship going on, but were not in much contact > > > > > > > > > > > with MMY andc > > > > > > > > > > > ertainly got no personal guidance. Personally, I hope > > > > > > > > > > > they change the > > > > > > > > > > > rules, but I am annoyed by Buck's ongoing blame of the > > > > > > > > > > > Rajas for this > > > > > > > > > > > rule. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nope, the problem is that these TM Rajas take it the > > > > > > > > > > > > way they do now; > > > > > > > > > > > choosing to punish people with access to the dome over > > > > > > > > > > > the anti-saint > > > > > > > > > > > policy. They certainly have the power and authority to > > > > > > > > > > > do it > > > > > > > > > > > differently. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
