This would be a form of heresy for most Muslims. It would be seen as
falsely transferring (shirk) the attributes of Allah onto the Prophet
Muhammad and would be seen as making the same mistake attributed to
Christianity … confusing the nature of the absolute Godhead will a
relative, limited revelation.

Within Islam, "shirk" is a crime that cannot be forgiven; God may
forgive any sin except for committing "shirk" because it is seen as the
root confusion underpinning all others.


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@...> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, zarzari_786 no_reply@ wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> <snip>
> > > Are Hindus generally more tolerant of Sufi Islam? If so,
> > > is it because the Sufis are more tolerant of Hindus?
> >
> > Most of indian muslims are sufis! About 2/3. And yes, the
> > sufis, the saints of sufism, always stressed tolerance and
> > universality towards other faith, they converted by the
> > heart and not by sword, by attending and helping the poor.
> > Many sufi saints (Babas) are therefor recognized also by
> > hindus.
> >
> > You can read these two articles:
> > http://ignca.nic.in/cd_09019.htm
> > http://www.indianetzone.com/37/the_chishti_order_sufism.htm
>
> Thanks. I do know a little something about Sufism and
> have enormous respect for it.
>
> > > I'm assuming there's generally tension between Islam and
> > > Hinduism in India, but perhaps I'm wrong. What's been
> > > your observation?
> >
> > My observation is that they get along together well, better
> > than anywhere else in the world. India really is the land of
> > religious tolerance, giving refuge to religions persecuted
> > in their own countries, think of Jews who settled in Kerala,
> > of Parsis, (Zorastrians) who settled in Gujerat and around
> > Bombay, and of course the Tibetan buddhists, who were given
> > sepcial shelter by the indian government.
> >
> > But there is a minority of muslims, the deobandis a movement
> > that was e founded in India, representing a form of Wahhabism
> > there, which tries to counteract sufi islam in India. This is
> > basically the type of islam Bin Laden follows, these are the
> > fundamentalists, and there are also, more recently also
> > fundamentalists of the hindu order, the hindutvas of the RSS.
> > These people do not represent the majority, but they are
> > politically more active. As an opposition to the foramtion of
> > the Deobandis, the Barelvis have formed, representing sufism
>
> Ah. Didn't know about the Barelvis. The idea of Sufis forming
> a group in *opposition to* anything makes me a little uneasy.
> I guess inclusivism can never be absolute in practice, such
> that it would include exclusivism; but this makes for sticky
> and potentially perilous choices.
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barelvi
>
> Interesting list from this page of Barelvi beliefs about
> Muhammad:
>
> -----
> He is "NOOR O BASHAR" means Noor (Light) as well as Human being.
> He is hazir (present in many places at the same time).
> He is nazir (witnessing all that goes on in the world).
> He has ilm-e-ghaib (knowledge of the unseen/unknown).
> He is mukhtaar kul (having the authority to do whatever he desired).
> -----
>
> These would be heresies for non-Sufi strains of Islam,
> would they not?
>

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