Absolutely Ann, I spent some time studying that classic jawline of yours back in the day! I knew those guys you mentioned but we hung in different circles so I can't remember a single conversation with you. I can see you laughing though. Odd memories swirling of all of us stuck in LC1 with lots of time to stare at each other. Jon Shear was the philosophy professor and I mentioned him because at first I thought you were someone else who was in my philosophy major. She had a sister there too and got initiated at your age.
My best pictures are at my site at curtis (I put this here so it isn't a link, so make it one word) blues.com If those don't jog a memory a younger one wont help I'll bet. I graduated in '79. Did you get your sidhis on the Summer course in '78? That was a great time. I went on to sidhaland for 4 years to get credit for TTC, taught TM in DC where I put down roots, I've been here ever since. I love the ethnic diversity and the outlets for my music. I left the movement in '89 and reformatted my hard drive from all TM to no TM. I believe that everything I was seeking from TM just comes from growing up. I love being my age now,this is the best time of my life. But I had good times in the movement, and although I don't believe Maharishi was actually right about very much, I loved the 15 year ride. How many other bluesmen can say they lived as a monk for a few years! It is part of my weird puzzle and discussing it here has made me reevaluate the pros and cons. I got so much out of it that was positive, just not the things I thought I was getting. On the non Robin front, anything you want to rap about horses will be of interest. Especially your bond with their intelligence. I love animals but have had only a limited exposure to horses when I was young. Oh yeah, and what do you sell in those stores of yours? --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater <no_reply@...> wrote: > > While we are on the subject, do you recognize me from MIU Curtis? What year > did you graduate? You mentioned John Shear. Was that a prof or student? I > always get my schools all mixed up with names. I went to ASL (American School > in London) and for some reason always mix up people from the two. Did you > know Mike Mikus, Lenny Gamberg or Ron Jacobs? Can you post a school picture > since I don't know how to get onto the MIU yearbook site? It is nice not to > be talking about Robin for a change. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@> > wrote: > > > > That's what you call a world class jawline son! Beautiful. > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray1" <steve.sundur@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > [fbPhotosSnowboxCaption] H [fbPhotosSnowboxCaption] OOoooppppopopo > > > > > > > > > > Are we allowed to put photos on our posts and if so how? Also, I sent > > > > a picture to the album 'FFL members' and it hasn't appeared. Any ideas? > > > > > Thanks > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater <no_reply@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, sorry, told you I was not great with computers. Here it is: > > > > > > > I am female, 55 years old, American/Canadian dual citizen but > > > > > > > American citizen originally. I live in Victoria, BC. I own two > > > > > > > retail stores, was a professional horse rider/trainer for 30 > > > > > > > years. I am married to a non-WTS Canadian man. Have three dogs, > > > > > > > two horses and don't meditate regularly anymore. Two step kids, > > > > > > > well grown up. > > > > > > > Do you need a picture or other info? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for all the info, but I wasn't really looking for it. > > > > > > I was just trying to point out that the profile you thought > > > > > > was publicly viewable wasn't, and thus to the casual reader > > > > > > you were just as anonymous as any of the other anonymous > > > > > > posters here. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks also (in another post) for your update on what brought > > > > > > you here. What you wind up posting or not posting is up to > > > > > > you, and I wish you well with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > I guess the only thing I'm wondering about is the thing that > > > > > > seems to have set Robin off the most in his interactions > > > > > > with Vaj. Vaj says that he and other people witnessed RWC > > > > > > becoming violent with his students, including pushing or > > > > > > shoving them onstage or allegedly actually hitting them. > > > > > > Robin claims that this is not true, and that it was *never* > > > > > > true. > > > > > > > > > > > > Me, because I wasn't there, I don't know. If you have any > > > > > > light to shed on this it would be interesting, because I > > > > > > for one don't trust the memory of what he did and did not > > > > > > do 25 to 30 years ago to a person I suspect could have been > > > > > > more than a little delusional at the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > My experience with spiritual teachers or former spiritual > > > > > > teachers who look back on their lives is that their version > > > > > > of events is *rarely* to be trusted. They tend to practice > > > > > > revisionist history on their own history. IMO many times > > > > > > they do this unconsciously or subconsciously, at other times > > > > > > they do it quite consciously. I know, for example, that if > > > > > > one had asked the fellow I hung with for a while (Rama - > > > > > > Frederick Lenz) whether he had ever struck any of his > > > > > > students, he would have looked straight into the asker's > > > > > > face (or into the camera) and declared an emphatic "No." > > > > > > In my opinion he would even have *believed* it as he was > > > > > > saying it. But since I actually witnessed him doing this > > > > > > a couple of times, and have heard first-hand testimony > > > > > > from others confirming that he struck them, I have come > > > > > > to the conclusion that his version of events was not to > > > > > > be trusted. > > > > > > > > > > > > This is what I'm curious about with regard to RWC. He seems > > > > > > to be claiming emphatically that he never struck any of his > > > > > > students, at any time. Others claim the opposite. You're > > > > > > the first person to appear here who seems to have been in > > > > > > a position to comment on these claims and counter-claims > > > > > > one way or another. I can certainly understand if you don't > > > > > > want to, but that was my main motivation in urging you to > > > > > > go into a little more depth about what it was like to be > > > > > > around him in those days. > > > > > > > > > > > > Suit yourself. Talk, don't talk, whatever. :-) I'm just > > > > > > clarifying what I was really trying to convey to you orig- > > > > > > inally. That is, that in your early posts here you seemed > > > > > > to assume that many or most of us already knew what it > > > > > > was like to actually be part of WTS and hang with Robin > > > > > > at that time. We don't. All that we do know are in the > > > > > > form of claims and counter-claims, all as yet unresolved. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater <no_reply@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am basically computer-illiterate but if you click on that > > > > > > > > > little purple awoelflebater next to the messages on FFL it > > > > > > > > > will come up with a profile page. Then click on "your > > > > > > > > > profile" and it will come up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tried that. It comes up with a big "Not Found" page for me. > > > > > > > > You may be seeing it because you created the profile, but > > > > > > > > we may be unable to see it because of the settings you > > > > > > > > chose (even if you didn't realize it) when setting up > > > > > > > > your account. Your last sentence above makes me suspect > > > > > > > > that this is the issue; I never see any "Your Profile" > > > > > > > > link. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But, if you don't want to bother, my name is Ann Woelfle > > > > > > > > > Bater. What is a TB? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Good to meet you. TB is an acronym for True Believer. No > > > > > > > > offense intended, but if you hung in there with Robin > > > > > > > > through all the ups and downs, I suspect you probably > > > > > > > > qualified at the time. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, I'm more interested in who you are today. As > > > > > > > > hinted at in my earlier messages, I don't really have > > > > > > > > that much interest in Robin, past or present. What I do > > > > > > > > have an abiding interest in is people's experiences with > > > > > > > > groups or organizations that they later come to describe > > > > > > > > with the word "cult." Been there, done that. I love to > > > > > > > > hear other people's impressions of what that was like for > > > > > > > > them -- at the time, during the "walking away" process if > > > > > > > > that happened, and now, in retrospect. That's all I was > > > > > > > > encouraging you to rap about, and only if you feel > > > > > > > > comfortable doing so. My original posts were meant as > > > > > > > > a reminder that most of us here don't have the faintest > > > > > > > > clue what "studying with RWC" or attending his seminars > > > > > > > > or whatever you call it was like. Assuming that we do > > > > > > > > leaves us in the dark. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, awoelflebater > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you actually knew me you would remember my name, so you > > > > > > > > > > > either know me or you don't know me, "very likely" doesn't > > > > > > > > > > > enter into it. I was not a small player. And I, unlike > > > > you, > > > > > > > > > > > am willing to step from behind some smokescreen, tell you > > > > > > > > > > > my name, my history and I posted a profile picture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Excuse me? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've been enjoying your reminiscences up to now, but > > > > > > > > > > these latest ones are starting to sound a tad ego- > > > > > > > > > > inflated, similar to Robin's himself. First, I see > > > > > > > > > > not only no photo but no profile, either on Yahoo > > > > > > > > > > itself or in the FFL photo section. Am I missing > > > > > > > > > > something? You're just as anonymous as anyone here. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Second, it seems to me that considering yourself a > > > > > > > > > > Big Player in something that was at most a tiny, > > > > > > > > > > unremembered splash in the tiniest of ponds near > > > > > > > > > > tiny and insignificant Fairfield, Iowa is not really > > > > > > > > > > that big of a deal. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like Robin himself, you seem to feel that we should > > > > > > > > > > remember and almost revere your experiences, when in > > > > > > > > > > actuality they don't mean diddley to us, because we > > > > > > > > > > weren't involved and even if we were *they weren't > > > > > > > > > > all that important*. To you, all involved in them, > > > > > > > > > > they might have seemed more important, but to me, > > > > > > > > > > it's a little like the two of you are describing > > > > > > > > > > going to the 7-11 for a snack and somehow treating > > > > > > > > > > it as if it replicated the voyages of Odysseus. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Try to remember that most here don't have any idea > > > > > > > > > > what you're hinting about when you hint. If you want > > > > > > > > > > to say something about what it was like to hang > > > > > > > > > > with RWC, say it outright. Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
