Sycophancy for the sake of access vs. the Caine Mutiny, >The Caine Mutiny is an interesting metaphor for the TMO > > because, although we can argue that Maharishi is acting > > from dementia now, he was the guy who tried to save us > > from our own madness, and for some of us, succeeded. > > Interesting metaphor.
>In The Caine Mutiny, there sure as heck isn't any fraternization between Queeg and his officers. >And from what Rick and others have reported, Maharishi doesn't brook opposing opinions either. (ie.,Nankashor, Jerry Jarvis, or Dr. MahaPatra as they got between good-faith TMOrg work inside and the MMY family biz money?) >So access is only part of the problem. >- Patrick http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/68257 TurquoiseB...wrote: What is offensive is that TB TMers can actually listen to these ideas and not see (as can almost *anyone* who lives in the real world) that the person proposing them is completely out of touch with reality. <What is offensive is that the TBs do this because they wish to believe that the gentleman who is proposing these insane, unworkable ideas once taught them some- thing they found valuable, and they now feel that they should believe everything he says about anything, just because he says it. <> <, which is that the relative world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get.> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/68035 Doug writing: What of the culpability in the range of people who`go along'? The TB'ers who more than going along, are facilitating? Like the VC Lorde mayor and wife and others also pitching for MMY raising so many millions of disappearing dollars for MMY? Doing the bidding or carrying the water? Some of the real capable people who take their life's skillfulness and propel the projects. People like an otherwise honorable architect, or pr-man or some of the attorneys, accountants & financiers inside let alone the clear front men like a Bevan and D. Jon as principle pitchmen. But also now the Rajas who would buy their titles and position in a charade for 100k or more? There is an elixir to being in their middle with a moral certainty in it. But, is it transparently righteous work? The jury of people voting with their feet seems to be saying: it is not evidently. Could the helmsmen right the ship or should it be taken over from them? Other than the chronic mis-representing of where people's money has gone, is there any real imperative to do anything about the ship as it founders forth? She once was a beautiful sailing ship. Any better conveyance around? SOS? Gen. G.S.Patton supposedly said: "Moral courage is the most valuable and usually the most absent characteristic in men". With a commentary: `I cannot count the times I've seen men who should know better than to keep quiet when unjust decisions are being made, decisions that literally affect the lives of tens of thousands of soldiers. These decisions are made, not on the basis of sound military policy, but purely to further the political and personal ambition of officers in high command. Cowardice on the battlefield is disgusting enough. Cowardice in the military planning room is repugnant. It ultimately means the unnecessary death, mutilation, and disfigurement of soldiers for the sake of the commanders. It takes courage to stand up for what is believed to be right and just. Most men seem to lack such courage. Sycophancy for the sake of career is just as deadly as incompetence.' JGD, -Doug <> > And what is *most* offensive is the basic theory behind > what Maharishi is proposing, which is that the relative > world has the ability to prevent inner peace and enlight- > enment, and that the only real way to realize these goals > is to reshape the relative world. It's as far from the > eternal message of enlightenment as it is possible to get. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Gillam" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > shempmcgurk wrote: > > > > As for being on the front line against the Nazis, my memory is that > > their boat was in the Pacific, not the Atlantic. > > Right you are. Greenwald is generalizing from Queeg to > all career warriors everywhere. > > > I do remember it being one of the best roles Humphrey Bogart played > > I read that Ferrer was brilliant in his portrayal of Greenwald, too. > > > > The Caine Mutiny is an interesting metaphor for the TMO > > > because, although we can argue that Maharishi is acting > > > from dementia now, he was the guy who tried to save us > > > from our own madness, and for some of us, succeeded. > > > > Interesting metaphor. > > > > Of course, the crew of the boat had access to Queeg. 99.9% of > > the "troops" in the TMO haven't had access to MMY in years OR the > > ability to interact with him to tell him how they feel about things. > > Have you read the Aubrey-Maturin novels of Patrick > O'Brien? They deal with the isolation of the captain. No > one to talk to, to confide in. It was against the culture > of the service for the captain to solicit input from his > officers. The officers didn't offer their opinions, either, > nor even speak to the captain unless spoken to. I wonder > if those taboos continue to this day. Any naval veterans > here to speak to that? > > In The Caine Mutiny, there sure as heck isn't any fraternization > between Queeg and his officers. > > And from what Rick and others have reported, Maharishi > doesn't brook opposing opinions either. So access is only part of the problem. > > - Patrick ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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