--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@...> wrote: > > Barry, > > This post is a non sequitur to the issues we've been discussing.
No, John...it really isn't. The fact that you don't get that is why it isn't really a discussion. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Since JohnR seems so...so...well...proud of Moses and his status as the > > divinely-inspired author of the first five books of the Bible, perhaps > > he'll enjoy this story about what modern Christianity has made of two of > > the author's most-quoted phrases in Leviticus about homosexuals. If > > JohnR is proud of Moses as a writer, he must be doubly proud of this > > Bishop for adhering to the letter of what he wrote. From Salon: > > A Catholic school's anti-gay snub > > <http://www.salon.com/2012/05/08/a_catholic_schools_anti_gay_snub/single\ > > ton/> Remember last month, when the Vatican issued a smackdown to > > American nuns for their "radical feminist themes," > > <http://articles.latimes.com/2012/apr/19/nation/la-na-vatican-nuns-20120\ > > 420> like not being vocal enough about opposing same-sex marriage? Now, > > just to really hammer home how divisive the issue has become, a bishop > > in Davenport, Iowa, has vetoed Catholic school officials and said he > > would not permit the Eychaner Foundation to present its Matthew Shepard > > Scholarship to a gay senior at his high school graduation. > > Bishop Martin Amos alerted the Prince of Peace school staff last week > > that "We cannot allow any one or any organization which promotes a > > position that is contrary to the teachings of the Catholic Church to > > present at a diocesan institution." > > <http://www.queerty.com/gay-catholic-school-student-not-allowed-to-accep\ > > t-scholarship-during-graduation-20120508/#ixzz1uIrwk7F7> The Eychaner > > Foundation describes itself as "a non-profit organization committed > > to promoting tolerance and non-discrimination." Tell us, Bishop > > Amos, exactly how that conflicts with Christianity? > > > > The $40,000 scholarship to the University of Iowa is named in honor of > > gay college student Matthew Shepard, who was brutally murdered in 1998. > > This year's recipient, Keaton Fuller, will still be acknowledged > > by a school staffer at the ceremony. But it's a huge > > dis nonetheless to block the very organization that's honoring the > > kid from handing him his prize. And it blatantly pulls the rug out from > > under Fuller, after the school board's president himself says that > > the presentation had already been discussed at a board meeting with no > > opposition. > > > > In an open letter to the school > > <http://www.eychanerfoundation.org/news/item/keaton-fullers-open-letter-\ > > to-prince-of-peace.html> , Fuller says that "Being the lone openly > > gay student in a small, Catholic school has not always been easy" > > but that he's been honored by the "acceptance and respect" > > he's received. And he says that the moment he learned he'd won > > the scholarship was "one of the happiest of my life." Now, > > however, he writes, "I have never felt as invalidated and > > unaccepted as I have upon hearing the news that the scholarship that I > > have worked so hard for not just in the application process, but also in > > my deportment and actions over the years, would not be recognized in > > the way that it should at the graduation ceremony. It is difficult to > > understand how after I have spent thirteen years at this school and > > worked hard during all of them, I would be made to feel that my > > accomplishments are less than everybody else's. This whole ordeal > > has been incredibly hurtful, and I am even sadder that this will be one > > of my last experiences to remember my high school years by." > > > > It's an articulate, impassioned plea for support and basic courtesy. > > Oh, and I have a letter too. It's from Jesus. It says, Bishop Amos, > > you're doing this wrong. > > > > Sure, one could argue that you wouldn't expect an outpouring of gay > > pride at a Catholic school. But it's worth noting that Fuller's > > school was supportive of him, and proud of his accomplishment. It's > > Bishop Amos who should grok that it's called Prince of Peace for a > > reason. The values of tolerance that name represents are the same > > values that the Matthew Shepherd scholarship represents, a scholarship > > created in the name of a young man who died horribly simply for being > > who he was. And it would be a terrible shame if the last thing Fuller > > learned at his school was that his church is too cowardly to applaud > > him for being who he is. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" jstein@ wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My comments are as follows: > > > > > > > > > > > > I have none in reply. Your sense of surety and your > > > > > > willingness to believe what others tell you astound > > > > > > me. I wish you well with them. > > > > > > > > > > > > Just as a farewell question, however, could you cite > > > > > > for me the passage in Exodus that states that Moses > > > > > > was its author? Thanks in advance. > > > > > > > > > > Sorry, John...I meant "the passage in Genesis." > > > > > > > > > > You won't be able to do it, BTW. > > > > > > > > Just how stupid do you have to be to ask a question > > > > like that (aside from confusing Genesis with Exodus) > > > > and think you've been all kinds of clever to have put > > > > the person you're asking in a spot? > > > > > > Ah, I see Judy is doing her "Uh-oh...one of the TM defenders > > > here is about to say something stupid in response to a challenge, > > > so I have to leap in and save him" routine again. :-) > > > > > > I was merely curious as to whether John was even *aware* that > > > he was spouting Sunday School-level Biblical understanding at > > > us. He seemed so *sure* that Moses wrote the first five books of > > > the Bible and all...almost as if he'd heard that way back in > > > Sunday School and assumed it was true ever since. > > > > > > It's almost certainly not. These days there are thousands of > > > Biblical scholars who have discarded the notion that Moses wrote > > > these works. One would think that an editor would know that. > > > Those who cling to the "Moses was the author" idea are considered > > > among the most conservative elements of either Christianity or > > > Judaism, and are often characterized by more rational Biblical > > > scholars as "desperate to try to impose Mosaic authority onto a > > > work clearly written by many, many people." > > > > > > Even the most conservative of these Biblical fundamentalists admit > > > that there are so many different "voices" and styles in the first five > > > books of the Bible that if Moses was the author, he had to have > > > "used other sources." I find that argument almost more amusing > > > than John's preening certainty, in that they're essentially saying > > > that the person they wish to cite as the author of these books > > > because he's...uh...Moses (and thus supposedly authoritative and > > > writing as a result of divine inspiration) is a plagiarist. :-) > > > > > > But if John's view of the Bible is such that he gains a sense of > > > comfort by considering Moses the divinely inspired author of it > > > first five books, that's his business. I'm just pointing out that if > > > that > > > idea were true, it would make Moses the author of most of the > > > following famous "Thou shalt not's." :-) > > > > > [Banned By The Bible] > > >
