Nice rap. You're on a roll today. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just for perspective and as a couterpoint reality check, group > phenomenom can be driven by a lot of factors. And individuals can > provide powerful affects on others, aka charisma. > > Some have mentioned the rock star effect. Several levls or aspects of > that I suppose. People at Woodstock felt a huge powerful, peace, love > and unity vibe. Some was lsd and pot induced or enhanced, for others, > there were no chemical inducements but it was just "so real". > > Rave participants, particularly those using MDMA, can feel an intense > unity and compassionate empathy with and from the group. > > Meeting celebrities (aka rock stars) can bring the sudden fusion of > media induced expectations with in-the-moment presence with talented, > sometimes quite charaismic individuals, and get "blown-away" by such > encounters. Such experiences may indeed blow away or alter > individualization mechanisms within and cause some shift in awareness. > > Rock stars / performers often report the huge energy they get from > the audience. > > Many of us have felt this in giving lectures. One is transformed in > auite expanded, energetic and even a bit giddy, high. > > My niece wnet to a live taping of an Oprah show with some friends and > reported the awesome vibe of the room and the presence of Oprah 9of > whom she was a big fan) > > Seeing a loved one after an absence can be a "transcendeantal" high > and promote a huge feeling of expansiveness. > > Football games in huge stadiums can create a huge group / unity > feeling, a felt exhilarating "presence". > > Many who were around Hitler personally reported huge charaisma and his > presence invoked a great sense purity and wanting to serve him. Some, > but not all, of the effect may be "cult" indoctrination. > > By most accounts, Hitler's public group events were powerfully > mesmerizing, induced a sense of grand unity, left the participants > quite energized, clear and "high". > > Prior to the end, and even during it, those in Jonestown I am sure > felt a huge collective vibe, a sense of unity and powerful spiritual > energy. > > Placing one's attention on any saint for a time can bring great > "darshan" effects. > > Placing ones attention on a rock or tree limb with the same care and > reverence as above can induce something the same or similar. (This is > not demeaning the above (attention on saints), but elevating the latter.) > > Peace marches in the mid and late 60's and massive student protests > (the ones that such down campuses in the early 70's) had a huge > feeling of unity, energy, purity, NOWness (this is THE moment!) and > transformation. > > Just walking the streeets of Berkeley -- near the campus or around > golden gate park in SF in 1967 and 68 -- there was a very tangible and > collective feeling of unity, compassion, kinship and energy in the > air. Just being in that environment was energizing and liberating. > > Attending and/or participating in a yagya results in what I call the > blue smoke of divinity saturating everything. Its energizing, silent, > profound. > > Laying some flowers on a brass tray, sayign some words can produce an > incredible stillness, purity, expansiveness. > > Silently, anonymously doing something to help others, with no thought > of personal benefit, ca produce a liberating, fresh, clear, silent > mode (mood? haha). > > Unless one can clearly distinguish each of the above phenomenon in > their libaries of "experiences" and articulate the differences, and/or > perhaps elements of commonality, I would be a bit cautious about any > reports of the effects of groups, darshan, shakti, charisma, etc. > Unless one is clear on the distinctions, or perhaps lack there of, I > count any exuberant reports as just that -- exuberance in being > "blown" away. Their interpretations of what it was that "blew" them > away, and the qualitative degree of such, are simply that -- > interpreations. Some are better in interpreating experiences and > putting them in perspective than others.
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