--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> >  I am not at all a fan of other things that he has done, but 
> education 
> > > and health is one area that I have heard he has done relatively 
> well.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > You've heard wrong.
> > 
> > "Relatively well" refers to comparision with Castro's other
> > initiatives. I was under the impression that his health  and 
> education
> > policies, while perhaps deficient in an absolute sense, were 
> better,
> > more effective than his other programs. 
> 
> 
> 
> Two issues:
> 
> 1) Education; and
> 
> 2) Health care.
> 
> We can immediately do away with education.  In the totalitarian 
> regime that Castro's communist dictatorshi oversees, there is no 
> freedom of expression, thought, or press.  This extends to the 
> universities and schools.  Therefore, we can all agree that without 
> that very basic freedom, education -- no matter how many PhD's or 
> doctors Cuba puts out -- is on the very lowest levels.
> 
> Health care.  Your life expectancy figures are skewered for one very 
> important reason: abortion is used as a means of contraception in 
> Cuba and is very frequently used.  This will greatly increase life 
> expectancy amongst those that get to be born.
> 
> As for health care, up until the fall of the Soviet Union, Cuba got 
> about $10 billion a year in aid from the USSR.  This artificial 
> boost to the economy (used as propaganda in the western hemisphere) 
> was used to aid areas that Cuba couldn't by itself tend to, such as 
> health care.  Once the USSR stopped its subsidies, Cuba experienced 
> a dramatic fall in health care and basic nutritional levels (Castro, 
> of course, continued to eat like the multi-billionaire he is).
> 
> Ironically, it was the allowing of U.S. dollars to flow to Cubans by 
> their U.S. relatives AND the opening up of limited capitalism (much 
> of it tourism) that saved Castro's butt.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > 
> > Cuba ranks 55th in life expectance out of 226 countries. Given
> > statistical error, its about a dead heat with the US at 48th. Of
> > course the US is beaten by counties such as Greece, Spain, Puerto
> > Rico, Hong Kong, and Malta.  So you seem be indicating that While 
> you
> > feel Cuba has failed in its health policies, so than has the US. 
> > 
> http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/rankorder/2102rank.html
> > 
> > You imply that, relativly speaking, other of his programs were more
> > effective (since in relative terms his health and eductation 
> programs
> > arelowratedcomparedtohis other programs). That would imply that 
> some
> > of his other programs are as effective or more so than those in the
> > US. What programs were these? 
> > 
> > In terms of literacy, out of 67 rankings (many more countries -- 
> due
> > to lots of ties) Cuba is tied for 7th place (94%), compared to the 
> US
> > at 4th place at 97%. Of course the US is bested by Poland, Russia,
> > Jamacia, Hungary, and Tonga. So we probably have a lot to learn  
> from
> > those coutries. 
> > 
> > It appears that you feel the 3% difference between the US and Cuba
> > representsa dismal failure of Cuba. I wouldn't be so harsh. They  
> did
> > better than Mexico, Greece and Hong Kong. 
> > 
> > http://www.theodora.com/wfb/1992/rankings/literacy_pct_1.html
> 
> 
> Go compare Cuba's situation relative to the rest of Latin America to 
> their position today.


Why don't you, instead of throwing out vauge arguements. 






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