Still doesn't answer my question. Although, given the alleged ends, what means are or are not justified?
My answer: I don't know. Within acceptable limits: talking about getting an extremely wealthy potential donor to donate oodles of money to further the progress towards world peace. Well outside acceptable limits: letting someone work themselves to death on said project. L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "mjackson74" <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > Ha! That's true - I stopped actively participating in the Movement after > > > a 2 year stint working on staff at MIU (wonder if there are any > > > statistics for how many people quit the Movement after a staff experience > > > at a Movement facility) > > > > > > So I wasn't totally aware of all the projects - oddly enough when I was > > > still a Movement junky the very first time I had an odd feeling about it > > > all was during the Taste of Utopia course in '83-'84 when Maharishi asked > > > for some large amount of cash for some project. I remember feeling > > > "Didn't he just ask for a bunch of money for some other project a year or > > > so ago?" > > > > > > Writing this reminds me of a staff meeting we had with Bevan when he had > > > just come back from Europe with M and was talking in glowing terms about > > > some guy they had heard of who was loaded, as Bevan said > > > > > > "He is as rich as Croesus. And these are the kinds of people we need to > > > get meditating. Because if he starts doing TM, he can give us his money > > > and we can use his money to further the cause of bringing the world to > > > enlightenment." > > > > > > I remember thinking what about his personal enlightenment? What about the > > > benefits to the rich guy? You only want him for his money?" > > > > > > but as I was not yet ready to leave MIU I kept that though to myself. > > > > > > > > > So, what ABOUT his personal enlightenment? > > > > IF group meditation has the effect on the individual and the world that is > > claimed for it, the most benefit anyone could ever get for themselves AND > > the rest of the world would be by sponsoring group meditation in > > sufficiently mass quantities to bring about world peace. As an added bonus, > > they could participate in the group themselves. > > > > Can you even *conceive of* something that someone could do for themselves > > that would lead to greater long-term benefit for themselves, assuming the > > ME exists as advertised? > > > > > > i certainly can't. Mind you, I don't know that the Maharishi Effect exists > > or not, but if you genuinely believe that it does, what other attitude is > > legitimate to take, when dealing with a wealthy potential donor? > > The ends justify the means eh? Even if that means conning money > out of people for things that aren't going to happen. Part of > me thinks that if god didn't want them sheared he wouldn't have > made them sheep but there is a much bigger part that has respect > for people and couldn't ever see them as dumb cash cows to be > wooed with empty meaningless promises like "you get back twice > what you give". Folie a deux, if you wish. > > > > L > > >
