--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@...> wrote: > > On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 6:28 AM, awoelflebater > <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>wrote: > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Oh Emilina that is so sweet of you to pass along Emily's message. You can > > > just call me Ravi and I think I may be in love with you? I think it's > > your > > > name - Emi-li-na - that's made me fall in love. > > > > OK, that does it. My name is now officially Anna. > > > > Oh I'm in a real quandary now. I forgot to be real specific - I have been a > sucker for any name that matches the pattern "A[a-z]+na" - for > non-programmers that's A followed by one or more characters of a to z and > ending with "na" - so Anna is a perfect fit but then based on Emily's other > email Emilina is just her creation and not a real person? And then her name > doesn't match the pattern - Oh boy.
Not to worry Ravi. Emilina and Anna are both beautiful, smart, loving and wise women, you can't lose. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 9:23 PM, Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> wrote: > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mr. Chivukula: > > > > > > > > My sincerest thanks for returning from the out-of-bounds, the outer > > > > limits, the outer circle to help inform poor Emily on the key message > > that > > > > had escaped her laser-like focus this past 24 hours. Her concerted > > > > compassionate efforts to communicate with Share exacted a great toll on > > > > her, and she found herself nursing a migraine headache, slowly sipping > > some > > > > chamomile tea, on her 18th century, blue velvet, rococo chaise lounge > > this > > > > afternoon, praying for salvation in the form of an enlightened man. > > She is > > > > deeply grateful to you, as always. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Emilina > > > > > > > > (Emily's anonymous stalwart defender, in hiding) > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@> > > > > *To:* FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 6:58 PM > > > > > > > > *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] to Emily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Share Long, > > > > > > > > *Re: In fact I don't think anyone on FFL is out to get me.* > > > > > > > > > > On behalf on all stakeholders of "wts" (notice all lower case and not > > to > > > > be confused with WTS - all upper case) - I express our profound > > gratitude > > > > at absolving our members and organization of any wrongdoing and moral > > > > culpability. There is great joy and happiness at our HQ and all our > > branch > > > > offices. > > > > > > > > It has been a harrowing last 3 weeks for our members since that ill > > fated > > > > day of Nov 11, 2012. We operate in extreme secrecy and it was extremely > > > > unfortunate that you got wind of our activities which led to the > > exposure > > > > of several of our members who clearly would have wanted to remain > > anonymous. > > > > > > > > The only regret we have, if any, is your inclusion of the obviously > > > > emotionally, intellecually, psychologically retarded "feste37" among > > the > > > > possible members of our cabal. We have denied it then and we continue > > to do > > > > so. If you continue to harbor any ideas to the contrary may I kindly > > refer > > > > to a recent post on FFL where feste leaned on a known retard Barry aka > > > > turquoiseb for emotional support. > > > > > > > > Thank you dear Share Long and we wish you all the luck in your complete > > > > healing !!! Our respects and regards to your pastoral counsellor. > > > > > > > > Sincerely, > > > > Ravi Chivukula > > > > Nov 26, 2012 > > > > Undisclosed Title @"wts" > > > > Undisclosed location, USA. > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 26, 2012 at 2:09 PM, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > Emily I definitely don't think that you are out to get me. In fact I > > > > don't think anyone on FFL is out to get me. And as I said before, I do > > > > think you are compassionate. And I think you were brave to disagree > > with > > > > others re rigorous honesty. Thank you. I don't remember what I said > > > > about you. It seems like a long time ago to me. Certainly I could have > > > > been mistaken. > > > > > > > > Share, raunchy is correct below. I am not out "to get you" on any > > level. > > > > I am out to understand what you are saying, as conversations are more > > fun > > > > that way. I continue to bring up the question of the wts post because > > I do > > > > *not* like or agree with how you characterized me in that post (I > > speak for > > > > myself only) and you have yet to get back to me. If you were kidding, > > than > > > > I get it completely. I'm not sure that you were though as you never > > > > confirmed your position. I am not judging you, or dismissing what you > > say > > > > in that post, I am simply trying to understand if you were serious > > about > > > > your belief in the different roles you placed the participants here in. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *I talk about complete healing in the second paragraph of my post > > below. > > > > > > > > > > I agree that different techniques work differently for different > > people. > > > > > > > > About Breaking Dawn: But the men had amazing powers too. Chatting in > > > > the car ride home, we were focused on them. > > > > > > > > As for your questions and the topics they touch on, I don't want to > > > > reopen these topics on FFL. The waters get way too muddy way too > > quickly. > > > > No good comes of it IMO. ** > > > > > > > > From:* Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> > > > > *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > > *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 12:16 PM > > > > *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] to Emily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you Share. The term rigorous honesty wasn't used in the book - it > > > > was the "concept" I was referring to, as implied and necessary to the > > > > process (see my upcoming response to Judy). I am only 226 pages into > > the > > > > book. (It is difficult for me to read books online; for me it is a very > > > > different experience than having the book as a whole in front of me - I > > > > have determined I will have to set up my printer and print it out.) > > > > > > > > I agree with you that those claiming 100% objectivity are suspect. I am > > > > glad you have a gifted therapist - they are hard to come by. > > > > > > > > I was not talking about complete truth, but rather, asking you what you > > > > envision when you think of "complete healing." > > > > > > > > I think that techniques work differently on different people. I agree > > > > that some, who are confronted directly / extremely, as they perceive > > this > > > > (where the line is is subjective for each person), so to speak, run > > farther > > > > away / retreat further. It feels abusive to them and they start > > reacting > > > > to feeling abused and move to protect themselves. > > > > > > > > I remain curious as to what is the answer to my yes or no questions re: > > > > the wts post. I'll rephrase it here and these questions don't need a > > yes > > > > or no answer or a lengthy response: > > > > > > > > "Do you believe that Robin is acting in a way that resembles his > > behavior > > > > as a cult leader back in the day?" "Do you believe that he is trying to > > > > use FFL as a means to forward an agenda that involves reinventing the > > WTS > > > > cult as "wts"? Do you believe that those of us you mentioned as having > > a > > > > role in the wts cult are, in fact, knowingly or unknowingly victims or > > > > participants of such an agenda?" > > > > > > > > In Breaking Dawn 2, it was a woman who orchestrated the solution, so I > > am > > > > still confused, but that's O.K. > > > > > > > > I agree that Merudanda is "the bomb" :) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* Share Long <sharelong60@> > > > > *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > > *Sent:* Monday, November 26, 2012 8:09 AM > > > > *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] to Emily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I can totally relate to the discombobulated feeling. Maybe it's > > partially > > > > the time of year too? > > > > concerning pastoral counselor and objectivity: I don't really believe > > > > that 100% objectivity exists in anyone. Not even in scientists or > > > > journalists. The people I don't trust are the ones who claim to be 100% > > > > objective. Having said that I'll add that I very much trust that my > > > > pastoral counselor seems aware of her own limitations enough to > > recognize > > > > if and when she's being less than the gifted therapist she is. > > > > > > > > concerning complete healing: I know some people who seem like they had > > > > what I'll call Norman Rockwell childhood. Basically they don't need a > > lot > > > > of emotional healing. I'd place my pastoral counselor in this category. > > > > I'd say she's as close to complete healing as a person can be without > > being > > > > a saint or sage or such. Makes it even more remarkable that she's as > > good > > > > a therapist as she is. And, as I said before, I judge my own level of > > > > healing by my behavior and by feedback from wise, balanced others. > > > > > > > > concerning rigorous honesty: I actually forgot that that phrase was > > used > > > > in Cult. I spontaneously associate it with what and who I mentioned, > > EST > > > > and Werner Erhardt as the quintessential example of such extreme > > tactics > > > > used back in the early days of the New Age. Anyway, it's my experience > > > > that complete honesty emerges when people feel safe. Extreme > > > > confrontational techniques IMO are actually counter productive to > > evoking > > > > complete honesty. > > > > > > > > I've also been thinking about what constitutes the complete truth about > > > > anyone or anything. I think only a very highly developed and integrated > > > > and balanced person can experience the COMPLETE truth. The rest of us > > aim > > > > for it in our own different ways probably depending on our brain > > > > physiology, training and limitations. Some are more detail oriented. > > Some > > > > are more sensitive to tone and nuances. Maybe it's a right brain left > > > > brain thing. > > > > > > > > Oh I'm just remembering that you asked a question about Twilight > > Breaking > > > > Dawn and talking about Unity in the car ride home. The bridge topic > > > > between those two was highly evolved men (-: > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> > > > > *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, November 25, 2012 6:05 PM > > > > *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] to Emily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Share: Can you believe I just sent this twice - I switched the ending a > > > > bit - gave a nod to Barry. I am discombobulated right now; bear with > > me. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> > > > > *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, November 25, 2012 3:55 PM > > > > *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] to Emily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Share: Thank you for the thoughtful reply - sincerely :). I agree > > > > that emotional / mental stress and glitches are more difficult to heal > > > > from, in that we don't usually see the big ones ourselves - which is > > why I > > > > am trying more and more to objectively feel the feedback I am getting > > from > > > > the universe, so to speak. If one is stuck in the subjective all the > > time > > > > and looking for confirmation to support one's storyline, than there is > > a > > > > likelihood that one will miss opportunities that may be outside the > > box. > > > > Not to negate my storyline, but to allow for a different perception to > > > > affect it. This is why I like FFL. There are many perceptions that > > cross > > > > the forum and often, I try these on just for fun and to give myself a > > > > different way of looking at my life and my reactions, etc. > > > > > > > > I guess my question is..."what would complete healing look like?" What > > is > > > > "complete" healing and how can one tell? Have you ever known anyone who > > > > was completely healed? When you wish "complete" healing for someone, > > what > > > > picture does that evoke in your mind? > > > > > > > > Yes, "rigorous" could be a trigger word. I was using it in the context > > of > > > > "ruthless", also a trigger word, so I hear you. Tee Hee. "Fuller" > > honesty > > > > seems like a bit of a cop out, but I'm pretty tough on myself. A strong > > > > commitment to honesty and accountability is important for me. A > > "settled > > > > mind/body" is a nice thing to strive for. I like the book "Full Body > > > > Presence" although I haven't downloaded the meditation or pursued it > > beyond > > > > understanding the concept. Follow-through is a big issue for me, when > > it > > > > comes to self-care. Hence why I am working on simple things like "I > > > > matter" to myself. Pathetic, as Barry would point out. Compassionately, > > > > Emily. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* Share Long <sharelong60@> > > > > *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > > *Sent:* Sunday, November 25, 2012 8:04 AM > > > > *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] to Emily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's easy to understand complete healing on the physical level. The > > cough > > > > and sniffles and sore throat of a cold cease. A scrape on the knee > > stops > > > > bleeding, closes and the scab falls off. The tests indicate that > > there's > > > > no trace of cancer left in the body. > > > > > > > > OTOH, I don't think physically I'll ever be completely healed of my > > sugar > > > > vulnerability. Short of gene therapy I think with regards to sugar I'll > > > > always be like an alcoholic who can't even have a little bit. So I've > > been > > > > completely off sugar for 5 weeks now. Way easier than being partially > > > > off. And the benefits keep me motivated. > > > > > > > > Similarly, I don't know if I'll ever be completely healed of all my > > mental > > > > or emotional stresses or glitches. I know from Maharishi that the > > biggest > > > > stresses are the last ones to be released. They're also, in my > > experience, > > > > the most subtle ones, the ones we often can't see in ourselves. Thus > > the > > > > necessity for wise others to help us. > > > > > > > > Anyway, I simply keep living my life and aiming for complete healing as > > > > wisely as I can. When I see spontaneous and positive changes in my > > > > behavior, then I'm encouraged that I'm going in the right direction. > > And > > > > when the wise others in my life give me positive feedback, that also > > > > encourages me. For me, these are the criteria to use with regards to > > > > becoming, if not completely healed then at least more healed. > > > > > > > > BTW, rigorous honesty sounds like one of those masculine New Age > > > > admonitions such as Werner Erhardt might have cooked up. I prefer the > > > > phrase fuller honesty if only because it sounds more settling to the > > body > > > > mind. > > > > > > > > If there is one thing to TRY for, it is IMO a more settled body mind. > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@> > > > > *To:* "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, November 24, 2012 10:42 AM > > > > *Subject:* Re: [FairfieldLife] to Emily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you for the thoughtful response Share. We all have different > > > > communication styles and use language differently to communicate our > > points > > > > of view. One thing I have been thinking about is the question: "what is > > > > "complete healing?" I am unable to wrap my head around what that means. > > > > What does it mean to you? > > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > *From:* Share Long <sharelong60@> > > > > *To:* "fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com" <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> > > > > *Sent:* Saturday, November 24, 2012 5:08 AM > > > > *Subject:* [FairfieldLife] to Emily > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Concerning my post to Robin: I wrote that myself after appt with > > pastoral > > > > counselor. > > > > Concerning my post to RD: I used the word stress the way that TMers > > often > > > > do. Maybe that's why it seemed the way it did to you. > > > > I agree that rigorous honesty is an essential part of human > > development. > > > > Yes, different people have different senses of humor. > > > > Yes, sometimes I miss the bigger picture. > > > > A couple of times Robin called meruD she but another long term poster > > > > corrected him. Even if a she, meruD can still be the Janitor Poet of > > FFL > > > > High. Male or female, meruD inspired a crush in me that lead to a lot > > of > > > > growth. I remain grateful. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
