--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > Thanks Ann - you are kind - but its just a point of view - there are plenty > of folks here who think I am an idiot at best cuz I don't love M and the TMO > although come to think of it, I think the sharpest response I ever got here > on FFL was an unflattering remark i once made about Ammachi
Often, for me, it is not all about the viewpoint, it is the sense of the person behind the viewpoint. I don't always agree with ANYONE here but certain posters fail to raise my ire. You are on of those. And you have a voice, a very good one in fact, and I like to hear that voice. You have earned the right to your viewpoint, you have lived much of it so that counts for lots and lots. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: awoelflebater <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 9:59 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > >  > As usual, I found your views and the way that you wrote about them very > readable, reasonable and seemingly balanced. I have not had any of the > experiences within the movement that you have MJ but you have been around a > long time and what you write always carries with it credibility; however, I > have no way of proving or disproving any of it nor do I care to. I just enjoy > reading what you write most of the time. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > What do you expect him to say publicly? He said whatever he felt would get > > people flocking to him to keep the dollars rolling in. Curtis, Robin, Vaj > > and Barry's current state of belief or point of view of Maha and the > > Movement have nothing to do with the experiences the had, what they saw or > > heard when with Maharishi. > > > > The difference is their point of view. As an example when Barry mentioned > > his watching Maha ask an initiator to take money in a suitcase across > > international borders (which many of you doubt ever happened) he said AT > > THE TIME he felt what the TM Movement was doing was so important and > > valuable he was willing to overlook what he was seeing for, in essence, the > > greater good. He no longer feels this way. > > > > If Curtis had conversation with the monks he knew in the old days and they > > told him certain things, then they did, plain and simple. What happened > > happened, what Maharishi said and did was what he said and did. Its all in > > the perception of events and actions and words. > > > > You seem to feel that anyone who is not a Maharishi supporter is wrong > > wrong wrong and therefore their point of view is invalid and that somehow > > means that the events they experienced, witnessed and heard never actually > > happened. You feel that no matter what, MAharishi was great and wonderful > > and therefore everything he said did and thought was 100% supported by the > > laws of nature, and were actually Cosmic thoughts, words and actions. > > > > The problem with this point of view, is that many of his deeds and words > > can't be defended - they are too anomalous as the speech and actions of > > someone who is supposed to be enlightened, unless you use the old saw of > > "Well, we can't understand the thoughts and actions of an enlightened man > > in our unenlightened state of awareness." This is the same baloney David > > Lynch used in trying to calm the agitated German audience in the now famous > > Raja Emmanuel sticking his big raja hoof in his own mouth by mentioning > > Hitler's name in the speech he was giving about invincible Germany. The > > versions of that video still on the Net are edited ones - I saw the > > unedited full version right after it was posted. When Lynch got up to do > > damage control, he actually said that Emmanuel had raja training and that > > we could not understand the subtle awareness and thinking of someone who > > has had such special training. I couldn't believe at the time that he was > > making things so > much > > worse with espousing such elitist baloney. > > > > If however one comes to the belief that Maharishi was intelligent, a great > > orator, had great, even tremendous personal energy and charisma that was > > being orchestrated by his unenlightened ego and he used his rather > > extensive knowledge to create an organization designed to keep him supplied > > with huge amounts of money, elevate him to god like status and keep him > > supplied with yes men to do his bidding and plenty of women for sex, then > > everything he ever did and said makes sense without having to make excuses > > for him. I don't hate Maha, but I have no illusions about him either. He > > was a man who did what most men do. > > > > The reason so many people do hate him is that he actually did have an > > opportunity to create a Movement that could truly have changed the world if > > the focus had remained on teaching meditation and had that been coupled > > with numerous small centers that were actually supported by the Movement > > rather than the other way around and some sort of community service > > outreach where the meditators actually went out in the community and did > > "good works" on a practical hands on level. Instead the Movement became > > increasingly focused on pay attention to me! I am the Big Cheese! Pay > > attention to me and pay me. that was it. > > > > So its understandable that some would have anger over a very large carrot > > of personal and global peace and happiness that was derailed by the lust > > for personal gratification. > > > > Of course you may lay all this off to my own dislike for M. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Monday, December 10, 2012 3:34 AM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > > > > > à> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > Wow - wonder who's point of view is the true one? > > > > Consider this; Curtis is the biggest Maharishi-hater ever to have graced > > this forum. The level of hate is so intense that even The Turq and Vaj > > becomes mere amateurs in comparison. > > > > If you want to know what Maharishi felt about Christianity all you have to > > do is to see the video below. > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIWqJ8tJ8JU > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: nablusoss1008 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Sunday, December 9, 2012 6:28 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: And so this is Christmas > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote: > > > > > > > > If MMY did have a negative view of Christianity it was because of what > > > > he saw as its emphasis on suffering, which was directly contrary to his > > > > message that life is bliss. In that sense he had a disagreement with > > > > the interpreters of Christianity down through the ages, not with the > > > > founder himself. In an interview with a Swiss journalist in Majorca on > > > > November 23, 1971, Maharishi said, "I love Christ very much." He also > > > > said in the same interview, "TM is a friend of Christianity because it > > > > takes awareness to the field that Christ wanted everyone to enjoy." > > > > Then he added,"No Christian should suffer; it is not necessary. It is > > > > not good to propagate suffering in the name of Christ." He also used to > > > > refer to Christ as "Lord Christ." > > > > > > Maharishi on Christianity: > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIWqJ8tJ8JU > > > > > >
