--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > > <snip> > > > > > And I have been greatly impressed by Pauls SBS research and > > > > > homepage. Great work. > > > > > > > > I've complimented Paul on this as well. It's clearly > > > > a labor of great love and a terrific resource. > > > > > > > > However, I wonder about the suggestion Paul made on > > > > alt.m.t that Maharishi has deliberately refrained > > > > from making Guru Dev's teaching available to TMers > > > > because MMY is afraid it would make him, MMY, look > > > > bad by comparison. > > > > > > > > I also wonder how much honor it pays to Guru Dev > > > > to use one's professed reverence for the master > > > > as a basis for attacking one of his most devoted > > > > followers, whatever one may think of that follower. > > > > > > Judy, > > > > > > I don't think that most of us can know for sure if Maharishi was > > > or is one of Guru Dev's most devoted followers. They only knowlege > > > of his relationship with Guru Dev comes from him. For most, that is > > > enough, but is it certain? We did not know Guru Dev or his > > > teachings directly. We have a few stories from Satyaanand, and Dr. > > > Varma, but that's about it. > > > > I deliberately chose a neutral term--"follower" > > rather than "disciple" or even "student"--so as > > not to get into questions about the nature of > > MMY's relationship with Guru Dev. > > Maharishi uses that status as a devoted disciple of Guru Dev (or > student but not follower in the sense that you have qualified it) to > help establish the validity of his teaching for his students.
But that's irrelevant in terms of the point I was making. <snip> > > Unless one wants to claim that his professed > > devotion has been *insincere* all along, but I > > have a lot of trouble seeing that notion as > > anything but absurdly cynical. That isn't what > > you're suggesting, is it, that we should be > > skeptical of MMY's sincerity in that regard? > > I did not say insincere, I said we can't know, because there is only > one source. I know you didn't, and I didn't think it's hwat you were *suggesting* (implying). But it seems to me that's the only grounds on which one could say MMY is not one of Guru Dev's most devoted followers. > We don't know how TM came from Guru Dev - was it inspired, > given directly, before Guru Devs passing, after - we just don't > know. Even Maharishi says that he did not realize thru TM, he > realized through his proximity, service and attunement to Guru Dev. Still don't see what that has to do with whether he's a devoted follower. > Skeptical > of MMY's sincerity? Yes on many things: M. Joytish, M. Satpatya > Veda, Money, Sex, Lies, millionaires courses, Rajas, 3 million > dollar peace Palaces, etc... I can imagine him being insincere on any of these, but I'm not sure that insincerity in these respects says anything about the sincerity of his devotion to Guru Dev. Looks like apples and oranges to me. > I'm interested in truth not belief. I don't like > being lied to. Why do you think that many that were closest to him, > left? Don't think it's relevant. Anyway, my *point* was, genuine reverence for Guru Dev would seem to me to preclude using praise for him as the context to bash *any* of his followers. Bash MMY all you want, just don't do it in the context of professing reverence for Guru Dev. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
