--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > Hear, hear! Aye! > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Wait a minute, I thought I was an Apostate Non-Meditator!! > > > > I vote that MUM secede from the TMO and put Bevan out to pasture, take the > > fences down from around the pundits compound so they can go get a Coca-cola > > (or Co-cola as they are called around here), put Buck in charge of Dome > > recruitment and maybe even of the University in general and hire guards to > > keep Nabby out. > >
Aye; As an old and conservative meditator I feel # Dr. Bevan Morris is extremely busy doing extremely important work as Prime Minister of the Global Country of World Peace . If Dr. Morris should step down from his long held duties as President of Maharishi University of Management then I should be honored to take over the responsibility of leadership of this illustrious institution here in his place. These are certainly turbulent times that require a present, vigorous and extraordinary leadership. I would respect everyone's right to an opinion here and always listen judiciously with great empathy to preserve the integrity of expression of our University Community. I should always note and listen to all opinions and keep this a safe and open community to express ideas and opinions. You could trust me. I am confident with all your support that I could steer our University through these next times of transition into a new era of meritocracy and positivity. I should start only as a temporary practical interlude in leadership to something better and will protect in the meantime the transition of MUM to a more civil, judicious academic institution based on consciousness and meritocracy. As the supreme ruler of MUM I then shall gladly step aside at a future time when we have then made the transition. It is my deeply held feeling that Maharishi University of Management should embrace transparency with clear standards of merit, accounting and human rights; but in my view not accept categorical approaches to free speech and particularly not tolerate insults to the spirituality of consciousness-based education as we uniquely know it. I respect freedom of expression but not expression that is used to incite hatred against anyone or denigrating speech that is directed toward one specific religion, organization or cult. I believe the time has come for everyone's safety to consider action to crack down on speech that defames the foundations of the spirituality of our illustrious and revolutionary institution of higher learning . A supreme moderator is needed now and I should be humbled to take on that responsibility for everyone's welfare. -Buck, the Preserver > > I appreciate your message Buck. > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: Buck > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Tuesday, January 15, 2013 1:51 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD vets, > > students, prison inmates, etc. > > > > > >  > > Dear MJ, I believe 7Ray27 is riding you a little too personally and too > > hard here. He don't live here. A lot of people here feel the same way you > > do about the bad behavior and actually shy away from going to the Domes > > because of the past poor ways of some still around. That is not uncommon > > here in Fairfield. Even with good people 'inside' of things there is a > > frustration reconciling this all. On the one hand It all has the potential > > to be so good but no one seems able to declare that 'we' are not that bad > > behavior of the past and move forward. Mostly they move forward as hostage > > to the past in a way hoping no one will notice the past around their necks > > and they'll get beyond it before anyone says anything. I spoke with a > > person, a long time movement meditator/teacher/purusha person the other day > > who had recently stopped going to the Dome meditation and now goes > > satellite places elsewhere to meditate because of these things generally. > > You are in > > fact doing a splendid job of critically and morally laying out the > > problems with a new voice. It is fresh because it comes from inside with > > an outside perspective. Yes it is a type of an indictment that makes some > > people uncomfortable. As people up there really do not freely dialogue > > about these things for fear this becomes as good a place to discuss these > > problems towards airing them out. People deal with it all differently, > > bit by bit things have got reconciled by people, and a lot of people have > > gone away. It is a pretty small group anymore with quite a lot of people > > having left. There evidently is still more work to do. Frankly from the > > top down there is quite a lot of a waiting game for Bevan going on for > > everyone. > > Kindly, > > -Buck > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > I will suggest that you pay attention to the posts I have already made - > > > I already told you that some of the therapists are already offering > > > their modalities to victims of trauma of various kinds including PTSD - > > > some of the people who have come are veterans and some are non-veterans. > > > > > > You are incorrect in your assumption "Ok, you don't > > > like the people who are in charge of the program" > > > > > > I don't dislike the people who actually teach TM, it is the people like > > > David Lynch and Bob Roth who talk up TM on all the talk shows, > > > continuing the effort to sanitize the image of TM. It is really that I > > > don't like the way they behave, rather than disliking the people > > > themselves. > > > > > > This is also not quite correct: "you feel they should be prevented from > > > implementing the program" > > > > > > I don't feel they should be "prevented" - I just wish the world could see > > > the real TMO instead of the toothy smiling one they present to the world. > > > I would like the veteran's organizations, school officials and people in > > > general to see and hear the white robe gold crown wearing men who give no > > > authority to women, talking in that nutty TM speak affectation and > > > refusing to walk through a south facing entrance. This dose of reality in > > > itself would cause a good many of the people thy are approaching to slam > > > the door in their mood making faces. > > > > > > As to how that philosophy is working for me, not very well since I and > > > others like me do not have the public's eye and ear the way Oprah and > > > other TM celebrities do, nor do I own or work in a leadership capacity > > > for ABC news like George Stephanopoulos and Soledad O'Brien, nor do I own > > > or have any authority at the Huffington Post like whoever the hell sees > > > to it that the Huff Post is forever putting those "I love TM" articles in > > > their magazine. > > > > > > Were > > > I to be in such a position, I would have a plethora of stories or > > > articles about the seamy side of TM, and from all I have seen, > > > experienced and heard, much of it here on FFL, when you look at the whole > > > picture of the history of Marshy and the TMO, it is a pretty sordid tale. > > > > > > If > > > the people whom Lynch and associates are courting could see interviews > > > with people like Edg and Barry, Mark Landau, Judith Borque, Ned Wynn, > > > Billy Clayton, Are Holen and match them up with the interviews of celebs > > > like Oprah and others who praise TM - then they could make their own > > > choice. That would be my preference. > > > > > > Until such a thing happens I > > > still don't like frauds and liars and that includes the TMO and its > > > founder and its current leadership and if you don't like it, tough. > > > > > > You > > > act as if it is a given that TM is the BEST treatment for PTSD which it > > > is not, and given the fact there are other meditations that can also be > > > of benefit to vets with PTSD there is no reason to use TM given its > > > baggage. > > > > > > In > > > closing it would be useful to remember that whether PTSD folks meditate > > > or not, there are other more useful in the moment and more necessary > > > modalities that have to be used in a PTSD treatment program for best > > > results, much more important that TM or any other meditation. You can't > > > just use TM or any meditation and expect it to magically dissolve all > > > the markers of PTSD. > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: seventhray27 > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Monday, January 14, 2013 7:59 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD > > > vets, students, prison inmates, etc. > > > > > > > > > à> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > > Yes we are working on the grant proposals, none of them have yet been > > > > submitted to any of the philanthropic institutions we are approaching > > > > for funding - what difference does that make anyway? > > > Youàexpressed an intent to help those suffering from PTSD.àI was > > > wondering what progress you had made toward that end. > > > > And if you can't understand that having something "good" taught by > > > > people who are not examples of the "good" of that technique perhaps you > > > > should learn something about logic and critical thinking. > > > Ok, you don't like the people who are in charge of the program and so you > > > feel they should be prevented from implementing the program.àHow's > > > that philosophy working for you?à> > > I really have a problem with my banking representative at US Bank.àI > > > feel she is unresponsive and arrogant.àDo you think I should begin a > > > campaign to have her fired,àor should I just find a different bank?à> > > (and so I did.àfind a different bank) > > > à________________________________ > > > > From: seventhray27 > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 11:55 PM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Another point of view about TM for PTSD > > > > vets, students, prison inmates, etc. > > > > > > > > > > > > Ãâà> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > You offer to challenge me to back up my statements. So challenge me > > > > > on this. I will be very plain. > > > > > > > > > > With TM and the sidhis, either it works or it doesn't work. > > > > > > > > > > If it does work, and the TMO has as much money as they appear to, > > > > > then it is criminal for them not to initiate a program such as I > > > > > outlined in this previous post. If they have the money and can save > > > > > the world, why are they not doing it. Back that up. > > > > > > > > Hey Michael, Why don't you try listening to what I said.ÃâàI > > > > said TM can be judged by the results or lack of results in treating > > > > PTSD.ÃâàI didn't say anything about the sidhis or whether TM > > > > produces world peace or any other claim. > > > > But you are so locked into your mindset that evidently you are unable > > > > to examine this one application without bringing in allÃâàyour > > > > other peeves.Ãâà> > > > That's fine, but it doesn't factor into whether TM helps PTSD or not > > > > and it doesn't pertain to the point I was bringing up.Ãâà> > > > As for me, personally, I got results.ÃâàI got results on the > > > > practical level and the spiritual level.Ãâà> > > > And as for backing up claims, it was you that said you wereÃâà> > > > working on grant proposals.ÃâàDo you understand that?Ãâà> > > > Those were your words, your claim.ÃâàI asked how that was going > > > > and if you actually submitted any proposals.ÃâàI guess you > > > > haven't.ÃâàI guess that was just something to give you cover as > > > > you launch your usual rant. > > > > > > > > > >
