PS While insulting me, to protect your misogynist SMOKIN' teacher, you mention I read an article on Wikipedia- BZZZZZT! I have heard this story five or six times, from various sources, and not just regarding one of Rama's rapes, but several of them.
Did he encourage you to rape women too? Just curious, because you are SO incredibly defensive, and ignorant about this. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > Nice try - Lenz WAS a rapist at gunpoint. If this woman recanted her story, > that is not evidence he wasn't. Boy, you sure ate it up, though, as a hard > core refutation of this loser you followed around. > > Sticking your cock into a woman, at the point of a gun, IS RAPE, Barry - Have > you figured that out yet? Even if YOU think the woman is a "cunt". Did > Freddie confuse you again?? > > If you insist this is the TRUTH, you may want to re-examine your standards > for judging anyone else you don't like. What a lousy double standard. Fuck > your TRUTH, Barry. I don't believe a word of it. > > I suppose those weren't drugs Lenz was addicted to, they were M&Ms, right > Barry? And when he committed suicide, he didn't really, he was entering > Mahasamadhi, right Barry? > > No, Maharishi was nothing like this depressed loser. However I appreciate > your dishonesty, as usual.:-) > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, obbajeeba wrote: > > > > > > > > Good points, dumbass. > > > > > > Not really. Jimbo's just gotten his OMG-somebody- > > > insulted-Maharishi buttons pushed, and is just > > > lashing out thinking that insulting my former > > > teacher will push mine. It's kinda childish of > > > him, and displays all the intellect of a turnip. :-) > > > > > > For the record, the "rape at gunpoint" he's going > > > on about never happened. The woman who made that > > > claim to the media later rescinded it, and said > > > that she was angry that a one-nighter with Rama > > > turned into only that and not more. > > > > > > Was the guy a total dirtbag to sleep with his > > > female students when there was such a power dif- > > > ferential in place? You betcha. Did he need a gun > > > to do so? No way. > > > > > > Anyway, now we can get back to watching Jimbo > > > melt down and act like a kindergartener throw- > > > ing a tantrum. "MOMMY, MOMMY...he said bad > > > things about my teacher...WAAAA....WAAAA" :-) > > > > > > And the funny thing is that I didn't even say > > > "bad things" about Maharishi. I just treated > > > him the way I think of him, as an ordinary guy > > > with nothing much going for him except having > > > run into the Beatles once, trying to milk that > > > for money up to the end. :-) > > > > Just for fun, because turnip-brain is so button- > > pushed that he's not likely to let up with what > > he thinks is a "zinger," and for those who are > > newbies here and *haven't read the things I've > > said about the Rama guy here before*, here's the > > real "rape" story. > > > > The person who claimed that was an attractive young > > woman named Annie Eastwood, who was actually a friend > > of mine during the short time she was around in the > > Rama trip, so I was "up close and personal" during > > this alleged "rape." Annie was an aspiring actress > > who, like most aspiring actresses in L.A., never got > > anywhere with her aspirations. Having noticed that > > Fred (Rama) had no problems with sleeping with his > > female students, she set her sights on him. > > > > And one night it paid off. She got the phone call > > that was Rama's Narcissistic Personality Disorder > > seduction routine. That is, "Come over to my house > > and we'll have tea and talk about your spiritual > > future." Which was code for, "Come over to my house > > and have sex with me, after which I'll probably > > never do this again." It was a pretty sad routine, > > but women fell for it. Go figure. > > > > Anyway, Annie went over to his Malibu house, he > > showed her around, and in the process showed her > > his gun collection, mounted in a cabinet. Sure > > 'nuff, they had sex, and Annie spent the next two > > weeks telling all the women in the org how wonderful > > and celestial sex with him was, and saying that she > > was now "Rama's new girlfriend." She believed that > > she was going to become Parvati to his Shiva, and > > started acting all hoity-toity with the other women. > > Many of them who had been in the same position > > laughed at her when she did this, and sure enough, > > Rama never called her again. She got the message > > that she was never going to be as special in the > > Rama trip as she'd imagined she'd be, and left. > > > > Months later, when the Cult Awareness Network-fueled > > anti-cult media attacks started in earnest, she took > > her revenge by going to one of the reporters and > > tried to turn having been shown a gun collection > > into "rape at gunpoint." Years later she rescinded > > this completely, and retold the story of her one > > night stand with Rama pretty much the way I've told > > it above. Even vindictive women grow up in time. :-) > > > > That said, was Fred an absolute scumbag to have run > > this routine on women who were in awe of him, and > > thus not in a position to say "No." Absolutely. Did > > he also do stuff like rip people off financially > > and fuck with their lives and their minds? Absolutely. > > > > In other words, Fred Lenz - Rama was in my opinion > > pretty much the *same* as Maharishi. Two guys suffering > > from Narcissistic Personality Disorder who got into > > the spiritual teaching business FAR too early, and > > who got taken out by it. The only real difference > > was that Rama had no *products* to sell like Maharishi > > did, only one-on-one teaching, so Fred's impact on > > large numbers of people was by definition always going > > to remain much smaller than MMY's. > > > > They were BOTH scumbags in my considered opinion. And > > they BOTH did some good, for some people. > > > > The problem with such teachers comes from considering > > them more than what they were, and being unwilling or > > unable to accept the full range of what they were. They > > were both sinners and saints -- IMO ordinary people > > with just the pseudo-charisma of NPD going for them. > > > > Now maybe Jimbo and Nabby can get back to their cultist > > "Kill the messenger" routine without thinking they can > > push my buttons over past spiritual teachers the way > > I've pushed theirs. Some of us, after all, toppled them > > from the pedestals we'd put them up on decades ago. :-) > > >
