--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The transitory and non-useful nature of a heroine trip (puking and > shitting on yourself all night and almost dying for the trip). > Losing the experience the next day, only to damage the brain and > continue in life in precarious and addictive way. (I knew > Jay....though I loved him, he was destined, through his attitude, > for the unbearable problems he encountered later).
I'm confused. He was on heroin when he was on the course where he related this experience to Maharishi? > > Off-World > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > What specifically doesn't sound like enlightenment to > > you. I'm curious. > > > > --- off_world_beings <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Jay told me this experience of his in person, and in > > > detail. I > > > believe it is the experience when he was on heroine, > > > and was > > > literally lying in bed puking all over himself all > > > night, and > > > shitting in his pants, while experiencing what he > > > called 'the > > > ancient watcher'...(ie God/Self). He felt like hell > > > for a long time > > > after. > > > Sorry to burst your bubble guys, but it doesn't > > > sound like awakening > > > to me, even though there is truth to the > > > description. A heroine trip > > > doesn't count. > > > By the way....I never found out how Jay died? > > > Anybody know? > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental > > > > Subject: AEGTC, Switzerland 1976 > > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Williams) > > > > AEGTC, Switzerland 1976 > > > > By Jay Latham > > > > > > > > Never had I seen him respond so powerfully. It was > > > as if > > > the "Hammer of > > > > God" was slamming that table. He then exclaimed > > > loudly, "This is > > > real > > > > wholeness! > > > > > > > > Jay Latham: > > > > > > > > "Maharishi, these experiences I've had over the > > > past six months > > > have been > > > > glimpses of enlightenment for me. I had a > > > tremendous awakening > > > experience > > > > before I started TM, but due to the circumstances, > > > I feel a little > > > shy about > > > > telling it in the group." I then sent him a > > > thought message that I > > > would > > > > relate my "experience" and not the > > > "circumstances." > > > > > > > > Maharishi paused for a moment to think about what > > > I'd just said. > > > > > > > > "It'll be all right to tell it," he said finally, > > > in a thoughtful > > > sort of > > > > way. > > > > > > > > "Maharishi, you've said that for every state of > > > consciousness > > > there is a > > > > separate, corresponding state of reality. Waking > > > state has its > > > reality, > > > > dream state has its reality, and deep sleep is > > > another reality." > > > > > > > > "Yes." > > > > > > > > "You've taught us that transcendental > > > consciousness is a fourth > > > state of > > > > consciousness?a fourth reality that is the > > > underlying reality of > > > all life." > > > > > > > > "Yes." > > > > > > > > "And you've taught that cosmic consciousness is a > > > higher state of > > > reality, > > > > because one never loses consciousness of the > > > transcendent even > > > during > > > > waking, dreaming and sleeping." > > > > > > > > "Yes." > > > > > > > > "You've also said that God consciousness and unity > > > consciousness > > > are even > > > > deeper states of reality; so we have all these > > > states of > > > consciousness and > > > > all these states of corresponding realities." > > > > > > > > Maharishi said "yes" this time in a somewhat > > > impatient way, as if > > > to convey, > > > > "Get to the point, where are you going with this?" > > > > > > > > I'd been feeling an almighty power rise up inside > > > of me as I asked > > > Maharishi > > > > each one of these questions, because I was > > > consciously setting him > > > up to > > > > refute all that he had just said. I knew he knew > > > the truth, but I > > > wanted him > > > > to come out with it in a way he had never done > > > before. It was time > > > for > > > > us to stop playing around like little children at > > > his feet, and > > > elicit from > > > > him the real truth. A great rage suddenly ripped > > > through my chest, > > > burning > > > > the lie in my heart. I wanted Maharishi to kill it > > > right then and > > > there, for > > > > all time. > > > > > > > > "Maharishi, in the experience of wholeness I had > > > before I started > > > TM, what > > > > you've just said that basically reality is > > > different in different > > > states of > > > > consciousness, is a total lie! What I experienced > > > one night five > > > years ago, > > > > is that there is only one reality, has always been > > > one reality, > > > and will > > > > forever be one reality! EVERYTHING ELSE IS A > > > COMPLETE AND TOTAL > > > LIE!" > > > > > > > > "YES! YES! YES!" Maharishi loudly proclaimed. With > > > each "YES," his > > > fist came > > > > down on the table, "Bang, Bang, Bang!" Never had I > > > seen him > > > respond so > > > > powerfully. It was as if the "Hammer of God" was > > > slamming that > > > table. He > > > > then exclaimed loudly, "This is real wholeness! I > > > don't want to > > > hear > > > > anything but experiences of real wholeness! > > > Continue with your > > > experience." > > > > > > > > "What I discovered in my experience, Maharishi, > > > was that the > > > personality I > > > > know as Jay Latharn is a complete, fictitious lie. > > > There is only > > > one Being, > > > > God. Everything else, even the 'reality' of God > > > consciousness, is > > > an > > > > illusion. It's just like Shankara said." > > > > > > > > "Now this is the real experience of wholeness!" > > > Maharishi > > > proclaimed > > > > excitedly. > > > > > > > > "What happened is that I had an experience in > > > which I went through > > > all of > > > > the states of consciousness. When I hit cosmic > > > consciousness I > > > closed my > > > > eyes to meditate and witnessed creation in the > > > flow of soma out of > > > the bindu > > > > point between my eyes. Everything shot out of that > > > point, in > > > stereo?whatever > > > > came out on the left came out on the right. I saw > > > the mechanics of > > > creation. > > > > It was the most amazing sight I ever saw. After > > > that I started > > > having > > > > celestial perception with my eyes open." > > > > > > > > I then briefly explained the major points of my > > > experiencethe > > > jewels I'd > > > > seen in the ceiling and how things were > > > constructed of light rays > > > created > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do You Yahoo!? > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around > > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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