that's a pretty good assessment Ann
________________________________ From: Ann <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 11:35 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Anita Moorjani's NDE --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu" <yifuxero@...> wrote: > > She also has an uncommon viewpoint of karma, surprising having been raised in > a Hindu family (but went to a Catholic School). She was asked about criminals > and generally those with bad karma. Her reply was that all people merge into > the non-dual state and also - their karma is eradicated. > ... > I don't agree with this, or see how it's possible; from what I grok as the > nature of karma. (with the caveat that since karma is ultimately > unfathomable, nobody knows a lot about it). In any event, as cause and > effect, karma seems to be a storehouse of "good" and "bad" elements, the > latter roughly defined as baggage that detracts from Dharma and one's ongoing > evolution toward greater Happiness. The baggage may be in the form of raw > attachments and a storehouse of prior events. > . > But strictly in terms of cause and effect, erradicating the karma would take > an input of additional "causes" - i.e. some effort and work put into the goal > of eradicating it, as offsetting a weight. > I don't see how mere death would equate to the offsetting causes sufficient > to eradicate the storehouse of "bad" karma. But Anita doesn't even accept > the concepts of good and bad. (but ymmv). > ... > But nor do I agree with the Christian concept of Sin and how to offset the > consequences therof. Offhand, I'd say that merely accepting Jesus and one's > Savior might be insuffient cause to eradicate ALL bad karma in all cases. > Many criminals convert to nominal Christianity after getting into prison. > Does their bad karma vanish merely because of the new profession of faith?, > instantaneously? > ... > My hypothesis: criminals at death go to the hellish worlds inhabited by > criminals, Saints to their Heaven. Death is not a free pass to nonduality or > happiness; imo. > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/8/72183.jpg I thought about the karma thing too when reading Anita's book. One way to view what happens after death, in her viewpoint a great equalizer, is that to be capable of great atrocities during one's lifetime means one is already in a sort of living hell. What could cause someone to torture animals or people or go to endless lengths in order to gain wealth, to exploit others sexually, to exploit someone's good nature or trust? What would allow someone to do that is to be living an existence devoid of feeling or empathy, to be bereft of the more subtle and sensitive impulses that guide the life that is filled with the capacity to understand and place oneself within the delicate space of another - to be able to relate and therefore to feel you can understand and want to enhance the condition of another person. To be unable to feel such things is a sort of hell, so after this life of suffering in what ways should this poor sod have to suffer more? They have already spent most of their earthly existence enacting a nightmare, probably experiencing a kind of emotional void. When is that allowed to end? Surely in death. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Yifu" <yifuxero@> wrote: > > > > thx, Anita's book could be used as a text on Neo-Advaita; but unfortunately > > imo, contains elements of "Faux" Advaita which if parsed and analyzed would > > have parallel comments in this forum going back a few years. > > One example: she clearly extrapolates her personal experience of the Self > > with ALL dead people, assuming that all dead people merge with the Absolute > > and there's no "place" in that state; thus you will find no mention in her > > book of Locale I environments. > > ... > > Based on my own astral experiences in meeting up with dead people, I > > disagree with her presumption about the fate of the dead. (some are in > > dire need, trapped in purgagories and probably not in a non-dual state but > > at least far from "happy"); let alone those in actual hells as reported in > > about 10% of NDE's. > > Thus she goes too far in assuming everybody after death is "happy", free of > > bad karma, and in a non-dual state. > > http://www.museumsyndicate.com/images/2/16015.jpg > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > I liked Moorjani's book a great deal more that Alexander's - he was > > > "trying" to prove he had the experience, while she simply said this is > > > what happened, take it or leave it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Yifu <yifuxero@> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Wednesday, April 24, 2013 9:35 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Anita Moorjani's NDE > > > > > > > > > > > > Â > > > Received her book, "Dying to Be Me"; an account of her NDE and miraculous > > > healing from near terminal cancer. > > > On the whole, a purely Advaitic account, with some possibly erronous > > > suppositions. Doesn't have the rigor of Dr. Eban Alexander's book; the > > > latter pretty much "covering" his points with comments make in > > > anticipated advance of criticisms by the likes of Shermer and others. > > > But for those who have not read either, I'll mention a few important > > > points. > > > ... > > > 1. Eben wrote his book AFTER getting involved in the Monroe Institute > > > (uses the hemisync technology to precipitate "Journey's out of the Body" > > > (Cf. book by Robert Monroe). Briefly, there are (as I recall), three > > > "Locales" I - an environment similar to that of the earth....houses, > > > people, landscapes, mountains, etc; i.e. an astral world similar to that > > > of the earth. > > > . > > > Locale II. An "otherworldly" enviroment, mixing the usual environments > > > with fantastical types of people, buildings, and various visionary > > > elements akin to the more unusual categories of fantasy art. > > > . > > > Locale III - merges into pure realms of Light and Sound, but > > > Intelligences may be present. > > > ... > > > Various Divine Beings such as Jesus may appear in all three Locales. > > > ... > > > Now back to Dr. Alexander: > > > His NDE started out in Locale I after exiting a hellish environment of > > > clashing and grating sounds. Met up with his deceased Sister. > > > In Locale II, saw what appeared to be Angelic Beings. > > > In Locale III, merged with the OM. He equates "God" with the OM and with > > > Pure Consciousness.. > > > .. > > > He's a nominal Christian but didn't see Jesus, nor does he apparently > > > accept the notion of a personal God. > > > ... > > > Now back to Anita Moorjani: She seems to have bypassed Locale I and II > > > altogether, but had telepathic and feeling contact with her dead Dad and > > > her best friend who previously died of Cancer. > > > ... > > > Then she seems to have merged completely (but temporarily) into Brahman, > > > and she equates "God" with Being and with "Universal Energy". > > > ... > > > That's about it for these NDE's. > > > http://anitamoorjani.com/ > > > > > >
