So Xeno, would you say that Marshy's bullshit was as divine as Benjy Creme's?
________________________________ From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius <anartax...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 3:41 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; Yes. I remember going to a taped Maharishi lecture many years ago. Maharishi was talking about the relative, just a field of death, everything was always dying, there could be no fulfillment there. Now there was a woman in that audience and she stood up and said something like 'What? ... What?' She was literally shocked at this because (so I interpret) she had only heard lectures of the kind that life was 100% relative and 100% absolute - 200% of life and everything was just going to be really fine from then on. Because she believed that, hearing the same situation from another perspective resulted in a collision between the two versions. This is sometimes, in other traditions thought of as presenting facets of reality. Like a cut gem, you can focus on one facet and you experience and understand life from that point of view. Then you get switched to another facet, and you experience and understand the same territory from another point of view. I take this as a method to get you to drop all points of view to the extent that it is possible. There is reality, and there is interpretation of reality. Take Michael Jackson - he seems really down on 'Marshy' and the TMO. Now viewed from a certain facet of experience, we can see a lot that is undesirable, even corrupt, very corrupt. From another facet, it does not look so bad. And some see the whole thing as simply divine. Each one of these views by itself carves ruts in the mind, and if you keep driving though the ruts, they get deeper and deeper until it becomes difficult to drive out of the rut. You can drive through the ruts of Hell, or drive through the ruts of Heaven. Either way you get stuck, you get trapped in a boundary that limits experience. Maybe we never completely escape those ruts. But if you are walking on a road, you can step off to the side, walk on the grass, climb over a fence, and walk through a fallow field. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > Also no trepidation because what is there to be afraid of?  It's all > changing all the time, death happening all around you all the time. What > did Maharishi say about the relative? One mass of death. And in the midst > of all that change and death, something so alive and unchanging. > > He also said bliss is not always blissful. I think many people like to > ignore the ramifications of that. > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius <anartaxius@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 9:03 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; > > > >  > I would agree with this. The experience (of a psycho-active substance) is > fascinating, but it is only a memory when over. Perception changes and then > changes back. There is no progress toward whatever seemed to be revealed. > Meditation and other practices do the same thing, perception changes, but > over time, these changes do not revert back to anything like what life was > like before... until awakening. Then an interesting paradox arises because > everything suddenly is like it was before, but the paradox is not annoying, > it is astonishing. The punch line of the cosmic joke has hit full force. Then > a delicious slide, not necessarily without bumps, begins into ordinariness > and normalcy and all the fantastic stuff you thought was going to come about > is seen as a dream, a screwball fantasy the mind invented. You cannot blame > someone else for that fantasy because whatever someone else told you reality > was, your mind ran with that and built a castle in the air. > > As the alternatives to reality fall by the wayside, there is a kind of bliss, > but not the kind that was imagined prior. The path comes to an end, and you > stand there thinking 'now what?', and there is nobody in the world that can > tell you how to proceed. There are those that can tell you, in a way, what > you are experiencing, provide an explanation that for a time gives some > orientation in this new world of experience, but essentially every step from > now on is new, in uncharted territory, but trepidation tends not to enter > experience, because there are no alternatives to what what is going on. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > so they feel like the have valuable experiences then? I wonder if they > > > are active TM meditators. > > > > Everyone feels like they have valuable experiences when taking > > hallucinogens. The trouble is believing that the experience is > > teaching you something about the deeper workings of reality instead > > of just teaching you something about how your brain constructs its > > picture of reality. It's like dreaming when you are awake. > > > > I know, I've been there. Even bought the T-shirt (it was rubbish, > > all purple and tie-dyed. Didn't suit me at all). > > > > I'm not saying it isn't fun. It is. Loads of fun. Just don't > > take it too seriously is my advice. This usually falls on deaf > > ears as everyone thinks they are on the verge of solving the > > mystery of the universe when they are tripping, from the Shaman > > of old to Timothy Leary. But it's all in the mind. > > > > ___________________________ > > > From: Share Long <sharelong60@> > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 8:07 AM > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > MJ, yes I know a few people in Fairfield who are very much into it and > > > have gone to Peru several times. They work with an indigenous shaman > > > and often have a week of prep that involves dietary restrictions, etc. > > > Plus becoming acclimated to the altitude. That would do me in as > > > I've lived at sea level my whole life. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > > > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 5:38 AM > > > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > there is a ton of stuff on it - I talked for a while with my friend who > > > just did it down in Peru - he felt it was very intense and useful, he > > > said he will do it again. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: Ann <awoelflebater@> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 10:22 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <richard@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Michael Jackson: > > > > > Or one could go to Peru and imbibe in ayahuasca... > > > > > > > > > If you get any of the vine, make sure you boil the > > > > hell out of it. LoL! > > > > > > > > The Native American shamans of Peru are related to > > > > the shamans of Siberia. It has already been > > > > established that Siberian shamans were probably the > > > > source of the mushroom cult in South America. > > > > > > > > According Kak, Siberian shaman migrated out of > > > > Siberia to the Americas and to South Asia. > > > > > > > > McKenna thinks the 'magic' mushroom probably gave > > > > humans their first truly religious experiences and > > > > the basis for all subsequent religions. > > > > > > > > Psychedelic experiences were probably the basis for > > > > the foundation of all subsequent religions, > > > > including the Vedic Aryans who consumed Soma in > > > > India. > > > > > > > > McKenna proposed that the transformation from our > > > > early ancestors into Homo sapiens had to do with the > > > > addition of the mushroom Psilocybe cubensis to their > > > > diet. Go figure. > > > > > > > > Works cited: > > > > > > > > 'Food of the Gods' > > > > The Search for the Original Tree of Knowledge > > > > by Terence McKenna > > > > Bantam, 1992 > > > > > > > > 'In Search of the Cradle of Civilization' > > > > by G. Feuerstein, S. Kak, and D. Frawley > > > > Quest, 2001 > > > > > > Not being an imbiber of hallucinogens or other drugs I have never heard > > > of ahayuasca. Found one article of relative interest and I am sure there > > > are many more with a more favourable take. > > > http://www.mensjournal.com/magazine/the-dark-side-of-ayahuasca-20130215 > > > > > > > > > >
