The irony, for me, is that ever since Robin decided he was perfect 25 years ago, he has never done TM again, or so his words in that message and more recently, to me, seem to apply.
Does the term "stuck" mean anything? L --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@> wrote: > > > > And my respect for Robin is a logical extension of it - > > he must have thought of himself, carried on from his > > Guru Maharishi, as infallible and invulnerable when he > > became a Guru. > > I'm not sure that's quite how it happened, Ravi. At > least it isn't according to Robin. He says the sense of > infallibility and invulnerability were *experiential*, > not some ideas he picked up from Maharishi. Robin's not > a moodmaker (TM term meaning, essentially, pretending > to oneself that one is in an advanced state of > consciousness). > > Did you ever read his account of what happened on the > mountain? Have a look: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316412 > > According to him, that experience *never went away*, > until he fought it off little by little starting 10 > years later after the group collapsed. It took him 25 > years to get rid of most of it, to get his free will > back, his sense of individuality back. From what he > says, it was a titanic, prolonged, agonizing struggle > that nearly killed him. > > If you're up to it, have a look at this too: > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316397 > > It's his first response to LordKnows's attack last > August, and it's a pretty good overall summary of his > experience during those 10 years. > > > Then because of reality's grace he was humbled into > > admitting his fallibility and vulnerability > > The way I read what he's said, he was forced to > recognize that he *must* be fallible and vulnerable, > but it took much, much longer for him to > *experience* himself as such. It wasn't like having > a profound insight in a therapist's office and then > seeing everything in one's life differently as a > result. It wasn't *psychological*, in other words. > > > and thereby developing the qualities I mention. > > > > I think these qualities of Robin are very charming. > > Those qualities were developed at tremendous cost. > > > Xeno and Barry - too fucking retarded to understand it. > > Yup. I have to say, though, that I don't think any > of us--you more than most, but still--can really > understand what he went through. I know I don't. I > have the broad outlines conceptually, but no more > than that. Hell, as articulate as he is, he can't > *explain* it much more than that. > > But it's certainly entirely possible to understand > it better than Barry and Xeno do. > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@>wrote: > > > > > Of course then this is the very basis of my arguments against Gurus like > > > Amma and Maharishi as well. > > > > > > The minute they proclaim themselves as infallible, invulnerable with a > > > special insight into reality they can never have the qualities of > > > accountability, self-honesty and integrity. And in the absence of that > > > their core remains stunted, the character and personality remains stunted. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@>wrote: > > > > > >> With regard to your last paragraph, yes that is the difference isn't it? > > >> > > >> How much accountability does one shows to all of one's actions, and at a > > >> deeper level one's thoughts, emotionsâ. This accountability then > > >> translates > > >> to one's self-honesty and ultimately to integrity. > > >> > > >> So my measures of a person are then these 3 qualities - accountability, > > >> self-honesty and integrity. Who displays these qualities? Clearly each > > >> one > > >> of us are fallible, vulnerable and we make mistakes. So the process of > > >> acquiring these 3 qualities involves admitting one's fallibility and > > >> vulnerability. > > >> > > >> Robin scores exceptionally high on these qualities. Your dear Judy, for > > >> me - display these qualities as well. > > >> > > >> Barry and Xeno - ZERO, their actions here shows us that they complete > > >> lack integrity. They are blind to their malicious vindictiveness and > > >> dishonesty - perhaps because they clearly aren't taking responsibility > > >> and > > >> accountability for their feelings that are causing them to slander Robin > > >> here - be it jealousy, vindictiveness or any other deeper negative > > >> emotions. Xeno is more terrible, he acts as if he is some mature, wise, > > >> compassionate person at least Barry rejoices in his overt sadism. > > >> > > >> Really sad and pathetic behavior on the part of Barry and Xeno. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:52 PM, authfriend <authfriend@> wrote: > > >> > > >>> ** > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> > > >>> wrote: > > >>> > > > >>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote: > > >>> (snip) > > >>> > > >>> > > Then folks who had been there and had seen him do this > > >>> > > started showing up on FFL, and Robin knew that the jig > > >>> > > was up, so he confessed to having done it, > > >>> > > > >>> > Total, blatant, deliberate, malicious lie. See my earlier > > >>> > post on this for the unequivocal details. > > >>> > > >>> A bit of clarification here. Before she read Robin's > > >>> Open Letter, Ann posted (her post appeared only one > > >>> minute after his) about one incident at a public > > >>> seminar (she was there for most if not all of them, > > >>> videotaping them) in which the glasses of someone who > > >>> was being "confronted" onstage fell to the ground and > > >>> shattered. She didn't see Robin actually hit him, > > >>> wasn't sure there was any physical contact. She did > > >>> say that it was the *only* incident she had observed > > >>> during Robin's seminars that could conceivably qualify > > >>> as a physical assault. > > >>> > > >>> LordKnows was apparently at that seminar too and > > >>> said here that the confrontee had told him he had > > >>> thought his jaw was broken. If that's true, then > > >>> *somebody* hit him, most likely Robin (although > > >>> as I understand it there were other people on the > > >>> stage). > > >>> > > >>> Robin has never addressed this incident; he left FFL > > >>> very shortly after making his Open Letter post (in > > >>> that case, Xeno, it *was* because of negative > > >>> feedback about the post, primarily a particularly > > >>> vicious one from Curtis). > > >>> > > >>> BTW, the above is representative of the difference > > >>> between Barry and me where respect for the truth is > > >>> concerned. I remembered something I had not covered > > >>> in my original post and came back to add it, even > > >>> though it *appears* not to be favorable to Robin's > > >>> case. Barry would never, ever fix an omission unless > > >>> it *benefited* his argument to do so. >
