>
> >
> > Yup, People like Feste are the crux of a problemm with the meditating
> > community for the TM movement here. The antagonized meditator. The
> > antagonized by all the TM controversies. The problem of how to facilitate
> > them and convert them back to being friendly to the cause, from negative to
> > positive meditator. From non- to practicing again. And, even willing to
> > come to a group meditation for the good it will do. It's a problem.
> > -Buck
> >
Transitioning from Founder to followers. They got a problem and thresholds of
change yet. A thing to watch within TM is when they [ Bevan relinquishing ]
start letting others even younger people get experience at the movement's
microphones speaking for the movement and even given the authority to influence
and lead the movement. [ The Boards of Trustees putting other people up to
speak]. I still like this post with the story about wrangling for a capable
"Ambercrombie" to turn up, to run and teach courses..
Waiting for Ambercrombie:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/338960
>
> Yep Turqb critiques:
> Your beliefs don't make you a better person, your behavior does.
>
> Yep, seems characteristic now that the TM.org just goes on without saying or
> addressing who they are in character as a means to deal with the
> controversies problem around them that evidently dog them in the marketplace.
> Not a "We are this" stance or even "not that". Just going on. There was
> nothing like that as clean moral leadership at the recent TM Guru Purnima
> services as they just leave it to the large media to hash and define who they
> are as tainted character. Notice for instance that "David wants to Fly" is
> readily available as docu-critique on the internet www. The Boards of
> Trustees need to think about stepping up to the lack of transparency and
> moral characteristics of the leadership going forward or we'll always be
> tainted by a past. It's a problem.
> -Buck
>
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Whoah!!!
> > >
> > > "What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?"
> > >
> > > This does imply Buck, that you feel non-meditators of every stripe have
> > > nothing to offer to the world. That means you think the vast majority of
> > > the world has nothing to offer.
> > >
> > > That kind of elitist mind set is one of the reasons I no longer do TM.
> > > Feste was a faculty member at MIU in the 1980's so I bet Feste was a
> > > sidha or governor.
> > >
> > > Either way, from my point of view, not doing TM is not a tragedy nor is
> > > it throwing it away. The whole point to TM was supposed to be getting one
> > > to the state where one no longer needs to meditate. As it says somewhere
> > > in the Upanishads (I think) "To a man of awakened intellect, the Vedas
> > > are of as much use as a small pool of water in a place where there are
> > > pools of water on every side."Â
> > >
> > > Supposin' those of us who no longer meditate feel Pure Awareness all day
> > > long whether we are waking or sleeping? What's the point of closing the
> > > eyes to experience what you are experiencing with your eyes open?
> > >
> > > There are a lot of reasons to not meditate regularly and none of them are
> > > tragic. One of the things I enjoy about not doing TM is that I no longer
> > > experience fatigue in the late afternoon. All the years I did TM, I would
> > > get tired around 3 or 4 pm, especially if I could not for some reason do
> > > the afternoon meditation. Now I go till 9 pm without fatigue which is
> > > when I get sleepy. Then I sleep.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Buck <dhamiltony2k5@>
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Monday, August 5, 2013 7:53 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditators
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Â
> > >
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > So Buck do you consider everyone who ever learned the sidhis to still
> > > > be a sidha or governor even if they don't do them and don't do TM?
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Dear MJ;
> > > Well, we are identified by the things we do. Yur a meditator or yur not
> > > in this case. Yur a 'practicing' sidha or yur not. Likewise a Governor.
> > > In our case here, Yur a practitioner or yur a quitter. Of course people
> > > will split hairs many more ways. It sounds like Feste is a non-meditator
> > > quitter as in once learned meditation and just does not do it. Like if I
> > > remember right you are a meditator, as in learned to meditate and you
> > > meditate now. It is the only reason I bother to read yur posts here.
> > > What could non-meditators have to say that has worthwhile perspective?
> > > That someone could learn meditation and throw it away is tragedy beyond
> > > reason. I'm a practical guy, no philosopher,I meditate and I use
> > > Patanjali all the time too, a sidha too.
> > > I got to git to morning meditation at the Dome right now.
> > > Jai Brahmananda Saraswati,
> > > -Buck
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ________________________________
> > > > From: Buck
> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > Sent: Sunday, August 4, 2013 8:23 PM
> > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Meditators
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ÃÂ
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" <feste37@> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > One of your many problems is that you ascribe to people things they
> > > > > have never said and positions they do not hold. I don't do TM, for a
> > > > > start, although I have done in the past.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Dear Feste, you don't meditate? Om Jeez. Yur a non-meditator? I am
> > > > going to have to re-set my FFL spam filter again. This is really
> > > > disaffecting to find this out now. I thought you were one of us all
> > > > along. Wait, you mean you're not a meditator but you're a sidha?
> > > > Like, not just a meditator but a citizen or governor? But most of the
> > > > meditating town are meditators (common denominator) and don't do the
> > > > sidhis anymore (a factor). Like, people here be Meditators but not
> > > > coming to the Dome program the movement offers. There's only about
> > > > 300-plus coming to the Dome TM-sidhis program now with the failure and
> > > > collapse of the Invincible America Meditation. So really you're a
> > > > meditator too. Aren't you? What do you mean? Just wondering,
> > > > -Buck, the Conservative and Group Meditator Still in the Dome
> > > >
> > >
> >
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