I agree. If a person schemes to become enlightened, the very best that they can do is exhaust themselves, which oddly enough is how awakening happens. So, yes, there never has and never will be a process followed that results in liberation. The wraiths on the MUM campus prove that.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@...> wrote: > > Over the years I've been on this forum, I have gradually > ceased to believe that there is a universally applicable > scheme for the development of enlightenment, such that if > someone doesn't have *this* experience or does have *that* > experience, it means they are (or are not) enlightened. > > Some experiences (or lack of same) may be more common than > others, but you can't make absolute, across-the-board > "rules" that apply to all individuals without exception, > any more than you can do it with the experience of falling > in love. The uniqueness of first-person ontology remains > just that. > > My opinion, anyway. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > Actually it is true, or at least I have verified it for myself, that pure > > awareness cannot be destroyed (muddied?) after it is established - Believe > > me, I have tried, diligently!! > > > > The very curious thing, though, is that someone can have a lot of pure > > awareness established, and yet, until they wake up from their dream of > > ego-bound identity, and surrender completely, the pure awareness stays > > largely hidden from view. I look at it as God's game of, "I'll show you > > mine, if you show me yours. You go first." > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > cardemaister wrote: > > > > > > > As per yoga-suutras, when one "reaches" enlightenment (kaivalya), > > > > the guNa-s become > > > > > > > > puruSaartha-shuunya. AFAIK, there's no force or power in the > > > > universe that could reverse that process... > > > > > > That's the standard belief, yes. Maybe it's not correct? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, iranitea <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Robin claims enlightenment *in the past*, decades ago. > > > > > > > > Enlightenment is always *in the present*, never in the past. > > > > > > Robin does not claim to be enlightened in the present. > > > > > >
