--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > > on 9/26/05 10:31 AM, shempmcgurk at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > ...and there was that recent study in Switzerland that says 
> that
> > > > > global warming is causing the polar ice caps to melt...on 
> Mars!
> > > > > 
> > > > > It is the sun that goes through periods of emitting greater 
> heat
> > > > > that may very well be responsible for global warming, NOT 
> > > anything
> > > > > we are doing here on Earth such as burning fossil fuels.
> > > > 
> > > > So you admit that global warming is taking place, but not 
that 
> > > humans are
> > > > responsible for it. Do you realize how thin and delicate the 
> > > atmosphere is?
> > > > And how much gunk we spew into it? How could it not have an 
> > effect?
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Of COURSE it has an effect, Rick, my fingers typing out this 
> > > response on my keyboard is burning calories and is creating 
> global 
> > > warming.
> > > 
> > > But there is ZERO evidence -- ZERO! -- that the global warming 
> > > caused by the burning of fossil fuels is causing all the
> > > devastation and problems that many environmentalists claim it 
is.
> > 
> > Actually there's *oogobs* of evidence.
> > 
> > It's very much like evolution, in fact.  
> > 
> > > There are, simply, too many hurdles to overcome to come to that 
> > > conclusion:
> > > 
> > > 1) Is global warming occuring?
> > 
> > Overwhelming consensus that it is.
> 
> 
> As Michael Creighton's excellent lecture pointed out (and which we 
> had extensive debate on already, Judy, on amt), consensus has 
> nothing to do with science; only facts do.
> 

Michael Creighton is incorrect then. Concensus IS an important part 
of Science.


> 
> 
> > 
> > > 2) If it is occurring, is it caused by the burning of fossil 
> fuels?
> > 
> > Somewhat less certain, but still a significant
> > consensus.
> 
> 
> ditto re: consensus.
> 
> 
> > 
> > > 3) If it is caused by the burning of fossil fuels, is global 
> > > warming a good or bad thing?
> > 
> > Again, overwhelming consensus that it's a bad thing.
> 
> 
> 
> ditto re: consensus.
> 
> 
> >  
> > > 4) If global warming is a bad thing, what are the 
costs/benefits 
> of 
> > > reversing it and what are the opportunity costs of reversing it?
> > 
> > This isn't a "hurdle" to your original question,
> > but rather to the question of what, if anything,
> > we should do about global warming.




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