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> > > Tom T writes: > > > No matter how radical that all sounds it is possible to be able > to hold all that in the awake mind. > > Then it must be possible to be able to > > hold all that in the unawake mind too. All Possibilities. > Right; no real difference between ignorance and enlightenment, or > between being "asleep" and being "awake" then why bring it up? -- though oddly enough, as > we have seen, We have seen? I missed that paper, in what journal was that study published? > only the experientially "awake" appear generally able > to appreciate this to any visceral extent, How many times do I have to tell you??!! Its an Understanding, not an Experience!! :) > while the self- > diagnosed "unawake" or "not yet awake" often would appear appear to whom? > rather > strenuously engaged in denying their (seemingly) self- > evident straining is a bummer > "awake" presence in favor of some not-present (not-here-now) > idealized criteria. Or maybe lots of other alternatives. (Tom doesn't like your black and white views, it appears.) > This self-denial would thus appear appear to whom? appearance as in apparition? > always to be itself a self- > referent mistake of the intellect: God made faulty machinery? Has he issued a recall? >attributing some imaginary (not- > here-now) properties What else is here other than the here and now? Are you imagining things again? :) > (or "shoulds") and who is your imaginary attributor? > to what is without properties guess they won't hurt when the real estate / properties bubble burts > or only truly simply and nakedly what is in this moment, here-now, what else is there? Only one drawn to or absorbed to the other will be aware of it. > and then bewailing the absence of these same imaginary properties > (or the presence of other less-desired imaginary properties) here- > now, and thus invoking an overlay of space-time-desire etc. Again, only one who imagines such can be aware of such, absorbed into such. > And yet somehow the intellect is eventually able to see through this > same not-here-now overlay and abandon it I thought the intellect was broken. Did it get fixed? > into what always is, has > always been, and always will be, the (non)radiant emptifulness of > (not)self itself... Ah, you took that Simuladvaita class. Was it good? > How can that which is and has always been and will always be self- > sufficient, self-evident and self-effulgent, ever hide itself from > itself? I don't know. The question never arises where duality is absent. But, have patience, in time such duality disolves and such silly thoughts cease to arise. > My guess is that we get attached to those very descriptors (or ones > like them) as "ideas" or "ideals" What do you mean we, kimosabe? > and use them to *obscure* the > reality Like etching glass? Etched glass can be gorgeous, no? > they are intended to *describe* Excuse my saying, but you seem obsessed with describing. >(which can of course appear > quite horrible, gnarly, and so on as well as stunningly beautiful, > etc.), and so the projection is underway, and don't we all love a > good movie! I rather look directly into the projector from 3 " away. > Odd indeed, but as you say, All Possibilities...! :-) Yes, all posibilities. So "All", that some may not fit into your frameworks, which by definition, are limited. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
