> > --- "s3raphita" <s3raphita@...> wrote: > > > > The point of the Chinese Room thought experiment being > > to show that consciousness can't be reduced to > > computation (as the advocates of AI like to pretend* > > they believe). Searle is right about that. > > > > --- "bobpriced" <bobpriced@...> wrote: > > Did you mean to say that the advocates of AI are lying* > about what they believe? If so, I thought your comment was > interesting since *pretending* is the only way a computer > program will ever pass The Turing Test (is it possible the > programs are advocating for themselves); Eugene > Goostman---to date, the computer program with the most > successful attempt at The Turing Test (29%)---got as far > as it did by *pretending* to be a 13 year-old Ukrainian > male who spoke English as a second language (rumours that > Share is related to Eugene are completely unfounded). > > > > What he wouldn't go on to see was that consciousness > > being irreducible it is also basic. All explanations of > > the Cosmos must come down to some element more essential > > than what is being explained. That game can't go on for > > ever otherwise you have an infinite regress. > > > > Something has (or somethings have) to be basic and > > consciousness [better "awareness"] being that thing (or > > one of those things) it follows immediately that > > Darwinian Theory which postulates that consciousness is > > a late development in evolutionary history is clearly > > wrong. Q.E.D. > > > > --- "bobpriced" <bobpriced@...> wrote: > > If the use of adornment could be construed as an attempt > to *pretend* to be something other than what we are, and > if adornment is an important indicator used by > archeologists to identify Homo sapiens (it takes human > consciousness to understand we can influence the > perception of others), when studying the fossils of > hominids, is there still hope that computers will learn to > lie better and eventually pass The Turing Test? > >
Computers today are savants with the intelligence of a spider or a cockroach. 20 years in the future, they will have the intelligence and the intuition of a two year old. There are many facets of intelligence. Memory power and computing power are only one aspect of intelligence. LQ - This is logic quotient. These people are good in maths. logical steps for solutions. CQ - Corelation Quotient. The ability to corelate diverse factors and see how they fit. MQ - Memory quotient. Ability to recall information is a type of intelligence and plays a role in survival. TQ - Tribulation quotient. the ability to deal with stressfull and chaotic envionment. EQ - Emotional quotient. The ability to handle emotions and compartment them. Empathy the ability to put in other's shoes and see their POV is a type of intelligence. > > > --- "bobpriced" <bobpriced@...> wrote: > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TryOC83PH1g > > >
