--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "off_world_beings" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > wrote: > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "off_world_beings" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > wrote: > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "off_world_beings" > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "off_world_beings" > > > > > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > What would happen if Hagelin seriously weighed in on > the > > > > > > > > current, highly charged, debate on intelligent design? > > How > > > > > > > > would he argue, left, right, or center? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Define the terms first. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Evolution is the inspiration for a major form of > > artificial > > > > > > > intelligence theory, afterall...>> > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't mention evolution because evolution means a > process > > > > which > > > > > > has a goal. ie. Intelligent. The goal being the survival > of > > > the > > > > > > fittest according to Darwinists. > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure Darwinists would agree that survival > > > > > of the fittest could be characterized as a goal. > > > > > That the fittest survive is just what happens-- > > > > > how could it not?>>> > > > > > > > > Then it cannot be given the name 'evolution' as if it has some > > > > purpose. > > > > > > "Evolution" doesn't necessarily imply purpose, > > > just change over time. > > > > > > > It would need to be called 'chaos'. All Darwinists believe > > > > that evolution is a process based on a need. ie. Intelligence. > > > > > > No, really. In fact, the objection some religious > > > people have to Darwinian theory is that it removes > > > the *need* for a purpose--doesn't exclude it, but > > > makes it unnecessary. The whole shebang could have > > > arisen on its own, without any guiding intelligence. > > > > > > Whether there *was* a guiding intelligence is a > > > religious or philosophical question, not a scientific > > > one. Science can't say one way or the other.>>> > > > > Then you are unaware that scientists are most definatlely saying > > one way. They are most definatley saying that there is no designer. > > Well, no, they aren't. They're saying there's no > *evidence* for a designer. > > > YOu are now talking about first causes, which I did not bring up, > > you did. > > Well, no, you said evolution was based on a *need*. > > > I said there is a wholeness that is more than the sum of > > it's parts and which others here refer to a 'system'. This implies > > order, and direction. A system MEANS intelligence. > > Well, no, "system" does not mean intelligence. > > > Evolution is a system that exhibits intelligence, wether it comes > > out if unintelligence or not is not the issue. I thought you were > > arguing that evolution does not exhibit intelligence (ie. a system > > with order, direction) > > Right, evolution does not exhibit intelligence. > That's exactly what I was saying.>>.
Evolution exhibits order, direction. Order and direction are intelligence. This is what a system is. It is sytematic. If it is not systematic, then it is not a system, but chaos. If it is a system then it is systematic, which is what intelligence is. Evolution is systematic. Evolution exhibuts order. There is no intelligence that exists that is not built out of orderly functioning, and consequently , direction. Order and direction are what intelligence means. OffWorld ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
