"OK, I'm still skeptical of sense-witnesses as a source of factual information" Interesting. I remember reading about a tribe in the Amazon who claimed they had heard a rare animal that an explorer was looking for. "But did you see it?" he'd ask. It didn't matter to them, they lived in a dark environment with a tiny visual field. Sounds do travel though and they didn't have our sense prejudice. Hearing the animal was as good as you and me seeing it. Smelling it would probably work too...
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote: Salyavin wrote: > "Did they volunteer this information, or were they asked?" All sorts > volunteered this info, police, pedestrians near the car etc. Just about > everyone was interviewed. OK, I'm still skeptical of sense-witnesses as a source of factual information. > Did I mention that in a photo of the cars after Kennedy was shot you can see > the SS guy holding a large rifle in one hand! Yup. > "Dubious. Where/when was this claim made? Did he make it under oath?" Swore > by it. I meant in court, or to the Warren Commission, or before some official body, or in an affidavit. > The threat was that he would spend the rest of his life in jail if he ever > told anyone. Apparently the SS were threatening all sorts of people that > day, possibly just doing their job in a panic but it didn't make for a > thorough medical examination. > "But if the Secret Service was controlling the cover-up, how come they > allowed the autopsy info about the 6mm vs 6.5mm bullets to come out?" They > didn't actually do the autopsy - just tried to stop everyone else doing it. Well, I know they didn't do the autopsy. I just mean you'd think they could have arranged for that bit to have been altered or deleted from the autopsy report before it was released. > Apparently there were 30 people in the room all arguing and getting in the > way of doctors. Not sure if this was released for the consideration of the > Warren commission or whether it has come out recently. If it's true it makes > it an open and shut case that Oswald didn't fire the head shot, I imagine > all sorts of conspiracies could grow out of it. Yup. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <authfriend@...> wrote: Makes sense to me too. It wouldn't have been that difficult, I suppose, to keep that story from getting out. Also not surprising that there were no general suspicions to that effect--the idea of its having been an accident caused by the Secret Service, of all people, is just too wildly unlikely to have occurred to anybody. Couple comments below; I do find some of this unconvincing. Salyavin wrote: Before last week I would have scoffed at any conspiracy surrounding Kennedy's death. There was Oswald's rifle, three spent cartridges and the usual objection that covering it up would have been a ludicrously complex undertaking with so many people to swear to silence that it would be a trillion times easier to poison Kennedy's breakfast or something. So I always put the conspiracy theories down to people's natural disbelief and need to make greater sense of a single pointless act. And then I saw the documentary on UK's Channel 5 about a cold-case investigator going over it. Normally I'd post the link so you can judge for yourselves but apparently they block UK catch-up TV from being seen abroad. So here is a summary: According to the autopsy, the bullet that hit Kennedy's head was 6mm wide. Oswald's rifle fired 6.5mm shells Oswald's bullets were of a type that wouldn't fragment on impact, unlike the head shot that did explode. Kennedy said "I'm hit" after Oswald's first shot that missed. But Kennedy [you mean Oswald] possibly only fired two shots as one of the shells found in the book store might have been a chamber round that snipers keep in a gun to protect the firing pin, whixh is why it was on the other side of the room to the others. Kennedy could have been hit by a ricochet from Oswald's first shot that missed. 10 people reported smelling gunpowder on the road which they wouldn't have done if Oswald was the only shooter. Did they volunteer this information, or were they asked? I would assume the same applies to nosewitness testimony as to eyewitness testimony--it tends to be unreliable, especially with regard to a chaotic situation. How many people reported not smelling gunpowder? One of the secret service guys following the presidents car is clearly visible holding a 6mm semi-auto rifle. The secret service stopped carrying these rifles the day after. One of the doctors at the autopsy was given hard bullet fragments by a SS man and told to put them inside the presidents head (he claims). Dubious. Where/when was this claim made? Did he make it under oath? Many key witnesses were not called to the Warren commission. There's more to the story but verdict was: Oswald fires two shots, the first ricochets into the presidents arm leading him to say "I'm hit" The second hit his neck and went through him into the senator (?) in the front seat. It was Governor Connally of Texas; and FWIW, he and Mrs. Connally were in the jump seat, not the front seat. The secret service guy following heard the shots and picked up his rifle, switching off the safety catch and accidentally fires the fatal shot into the presidents head. Forensic evidence shows that Oswald was in the wrong position to fire the fatal shot, unlike the SS guy whose position matched both entry and exit wounds on the presidents head. I like it as a theory because it explains all the anomalies and also why the secret service were so aggressive at the autopsy and why they moved Kennedy out of state in the first place. To control the cover up. But if the Secret Service was controlling the cover-up, how come they allowed the autopsy info about the 6mm vs 6.5mm bullets to come out? ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote: A co-conspirator can't be named because Oswald appears to have been patsy so it wasn't a conspirator. He even said so himself. Why else would have Jack Ruby shot him other than to keep him quiet otherwise a trial might have shown he indeed was innocent? The spent shells might not have been the result of Oswald firing that junk rifle that had magical properties. Workers at the book depository said he was in the lunch room before and 75 seconds after the assassination. There was a lot at stake and money to be made with a war in Vietnam that Kennedy wanted to end. We had criminal minds running big business then and we have them now. Wake up or I've got another bridge to sell you that you can live under. On 11/24/2013 01:46 PM, Richard J. Williams wrote: Can you name a single co-conspirator? Lee Harvey Oswald left his rifle inside the building where the shots were fired with three spent shells on the floor. Oswald was arrested inside the the theater holding the pistol he used to shoot Tippet. What other proof do you need that Oswald killed Kennedy and Tippet? On 11/24/2013 2:29 PM, Bhairitu wrote: Reminds me of the folks I listened to on the radio this last week explaining why people won't believe the lone gunman theory. They have all these sewed up psychological theories about how the mind develops conspiracy theories. I find the lone gunman theory as preposterous a the idea Martians assassinated JFK. On 11/24/2013 11:15 AM, salyavin808 wrote: http://www.livescience.com/41128-out-of-body-experiences-explained.html http://www.livescience.com/41128-out-of-body-experiences-explained.html
