--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Buck, reflect a minute. What makes you think I "stalk"?
You mean, other than the fact that you're doing it right now? :-) When you go out of your way to write a post dumping on the person you've been dumping on consistently for nearly twenty years, about whom you've written literally thousands of posts dumping on him, you're stalking. Get over your self-delusions, honey...you're a stalker You even stalked Curtis recently when one of your former minions said he liked him, and he hasn't been here since August: "Curtis, in stark contrast, went to considerable lengths to hide his emotional duplicity." "To be a little more specific, if I may: Curtis pretended to be "comfortable" with who he was, as Barry puts it. But that was a carefully constructed facade, and it took very little in the way of chipping to expose the real Curtis underneath. " Stalking is just what you DO, Judy. Everyone here knows this but you. > I'll tell you: Because that's what Barry has said that I do, over and over. He claims I've "stalked him from forum to forum." That is factually untrue. Of the four forums we've been on together, one (alt.m.t) I joined before I had ever encountered him; two I joined before he did; and the fourth, FFL, he Invited me to join, along with other members of alt.m.t. > > So what does that make Barry, Buck? > > I could go on and on listing the things Barry has said about me (and others) that were simply factually false, and that he knows were false. Literally hundreds of things. > > And he's not the only one, he's just the worst. > > If all you do is take little peeks here and there, you really do not have a clear idea of what goes on here. Neither does Rick, for that matter. > > "Error of thought, a weak mind, or some natural vagueness in conversation" is not what I'm referring to by "lying." I mean deliberate and malicious misstatements of fact. > > I'll tell you something else. It is *vanishingly* unlikely that Yahoo is going to storm in here and shut FFL down because of some squabbling. Yahoo doesn't have the time or the interest to monitor millions of groups for "ad hominem" or "unkindness." Or lying, for that matter. If you're genuinely concerned that might happen, you can stop worrying. Yahoo is not going to enforce the "guidelines." They're not much more than a gesture, a formality. They can use the guidelines if they need to dump someone who is *really* seriously misbehaving in a way nobody on FFL even comes close to doing, *including* Barry, obnoxious and vicious as he is. But even that is unlikely. > > And Rick has time only to handle the worst infractions of the actual FFL *rules*--about pornography and outing the identity of members who wish to remain anonymous. That's why Ravi was dumped this time around (and the time before that); he outed someone the first time and threatened to do so the second time. Not because he was "unkind." > > Feste's "critique" was nonsense, by the way. You apparently read it but not my response. He was trying to protect someone he likes who has a propensity to be untruthful, IMO. > > What I *wish* were the case here is that people would not be so tolerant of deliberate dishonesty, that they would express strong disapproval of anyone who engages in it. Social sanctions of that sort, if consistent, would do more for the tone of this forum than all your bombast, Buck. Malicious dishonesty breeds disrespect of others generally. If telling deliberate falsehoods about other people is OK, then what isn't OK? To expect people to be kind to a person who attacks them repeatedly with falsehoods and lies is a little too much to expect. We aren't saints here. > > I appreciate your willingness to speak to me for a change, Buck. But from what you say, I don't think you have anything more than a very superficial impression of the interpersonal dynamics of FFL. I can't hope to give you an in-depth course to catch you up on what you've missed. You'd have to decide to start paying close attention to the traffic here. > > I wrote: > > How about the lying? You never mention the lying, Buck. Does that mean you think it's OK to lie? > > Buck wrote: > > Buck's interest is more narrowly the endurance and survival of FFL as a community given these newer Yahoo-groups management guidelines that clearly supersede Rick's âalmost anything goesâ FFL guidelines. That old FFL guideline is the rot-in-ist damn pin holding FFL to be the unkind place it has become from the moment Rick tried it. > I have not been following your attempt at equivalence other than the message view of posts. Feste a while back had a fair critique of it. Like as Rick in skipping posts from you and others as soon as they show themselves just to be personal bickering between you and others I save time too. You have over a hundred posts so far this week and I don't have much of a clue what you write other than in message view or what shows up in other posts as replies from other people. > > You are certainly free to try to stalk making an equivalence of truth-telling and unkindness. Your using âLiarâ in method is a strong word of character [ Exploitative or degrading, belligerence, insults, slurs,] where there may only be error of thought, a weak mind, or some natural vagueness in conversation. Stalking on the internet is probably as bad as outright lying. You want to gamble the group? Maybe that is your method. Shall we let Yahoo decide or Rick? What is the group hierarchy: moderators, owners, Yahoo-groups managers. Yahoo-groups seems is the supreme court of justice. Yahoo-groups could easily exterminate this whole group for the culture of unkindness a few people bring to the group. What do you want to do? Keep going as it is? I'd like to see Rick act on behalf of the group and enforce the new yahoo-groups guidelines if some writers will not reform themselves. Summary execution by list owner would be fine. > Jai Guru Dev, -Buck > > > authfriend@ wrote: > > How about the lying? You never mention the lying, Buck. Does that mean you think it's OK to lie? > > Buck huffed: > > > You can't even hardly invite any civilized person to visit here to FFL with what perpetual unkindness has taken over here on this yahoo-group. It is simply appalling that this culture of low meanness and unkindness has got going here. It is no good to have in our house, But I fear most now for the very life of this entire list if this culture of unkindness is not checked. > -Buck > > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Banishment, has its place in civil society to protect society. In protecting the larger right of any civil community to exist it certainly is why societies remove asocial types from society. Prisons or banishment have had their place in the long altruistic evolution of living together. It is now being figured out on the internet too as for instance Yahoo is leading in guideline. > > > âDon't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups.â -Yahoo-groups Guidelines > > > > Emily writes: "Summary judgment and execution!" God, > > > Yes, with Rick our demigod master and list owner here on behalf of Yahoo-groups. > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <> Buck wrote: > > Meanness, the tiger at the door of FFL. > Eternal vigilance is the price of our freedoms on FFL. > http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25027090 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-25027090 > > > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > > Dear FFL Management, It is time for our own FFL management to administrate swiftly and clean this membership bad blood from our FFL community list. It is certainly time for summary judgment by our own community management to protect the very life and existence anymore of Fairfield Life on Yahoo-groups. Management should justly act on all our behalf to protect things here. At this point of long endurance it is obvious. Your Management does not even need to be nice about it. There is no need for explanation or engagement of the perps anymore. It is time to save FFL. Before it is too late. It is time for summary judgment and execution, > -Buck > > > > Please help us keep Yahoo Groups an enjoyable and positive experience. If you see a Group or content that violates our rules, please let us know by contacting us. > > > > Yahoo! in guideline says: âDon't be unkind. Exploitative or degrading comments are not welcome in Groups. Also not welcome are belligerence, insults, slurs, profanity or ranting.â > > > Be courteous. Everyone wants to be treated with respect, and showing respect to others makes the community better for all members. > > > Yahoo Groups, in its sole discretion, may terminate or remove any content, Group or your Yahoo ID immediately and without notice if (a) Yahoo believes that you have acted inconsistently with the spirit or the letter of the Yahoo Terms of Service or the Yahoo Groups Guidelines, > > > > Dear Friends; As a group we must put an end to unkind posts here. > Certainly we had been hooligan-ed again and again. In the very open nature of our forum community here hooliganism can transit through, now though as a group we certainly need to have much more consciousness against it and swift moderation in reaction. Against hooliganism here and any such hooliganists we clearly must better straighten and tighten things up with FFL alongside the Yahoo groups guidelines and be square with our own guidelines against unkindness as hooliganism to protect the very existence of our FFL group here. Or, without congruence of guideline we run the very real risk of running up against the Yahoo Groups guidelines themselves. > > > > Actually Turq's is a fair summary of a longer history. > http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/\ 364184 http://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/\ 364184 > > > > I feel Rick as owner here in conjunction with Yahoo Groups unkindness guidelines > > has good grounds to act swiftly and summarily on this. > Rick would not even need to explain himself doing it. > Most all understand that FFL was derailed and taken over by unkindness. > Rick, get this over with and save the FFL group > before Yahoo groups management closes it. > The grounds are certainly clear for this, > -Buck >
