When I read this, I kept hearing it in the voice of Gangaji, and I know nothing of her, so I believe it is genuine. The one she is speaking to, Rasa, is also a woman, with a very unusual website to say the least(!)
It occurs to me when reading all of this that those who set themselves up to be spiritual teachers take on as their dharma challenges such as this, which only serve to deepen their experience. Much as us householders struggle to complete projects on time. Same thing, really... --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > It doesn't sound like Gangaji to me. The exchange is > > pretty lame. > > My mistake, I guess. Pretty lame to allow it > to go on this long, but if I were to vote for > who is the most 'pseudo' in this particular > discussion, it sure ain't the Advaitan. :-) > > > --- TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > Re my rap earlier about megalomania, and about the > > > need/desire to be "special," isn't that what this > > > whole "conversation" is about? This fellow (I can > > > only assume it's a 'he') wants to be considered > > > "special" because he has some kind of stigmata. > > > Swami G (who I assume is Gangaji) keeps trying to > > > remind him that liberation is achieved by NOT > > > being "special." He freaks out, but keeps coming > > > back for more, because in some weird way, his being > > > knows that its "specialness" is not making him > > > happy. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ron F > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > * I think exactly like Jesus, not exactly the way > > > you do. You say > > > > this is a lower form of Realization! You cannot > > > refute saying this, > > > > you have put it in black and white. This is the > > > threat I am fighting > > > > - not against myself as a personality, but > > > something bigger. > > > > Please don't push me down to where I am not! > > > > > > > > G: fight what you want ..... there has been no > > > threat against you > > > > ..... No you do not think like Christ for Christ > > > would not make > > > > false statments against anyone ..... no one can > > > put you > > > > anywhere ...... it is only your own mind which is > > > constricted ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * You cannot explain away Jesus and Ramakrishna, > > > while it > > > > is much easier to dismiss other saints, lesser > > > knowns, and the > > > > living, like myself. > > > > > > > > G: have not attempted to dismiss any saints ...... > > > if you wish to > > > > call yourself a saint fine ..... go for it ....... > > > > > > > > > > > > * I am the easiest for you to dispose of. Now look > > > at your > > > > attitude toward my Divine Stigmata. God keep me > > > from any sort > > > > of ego or pride, as I speak of 'myself.' Even as I > > > say those words, > > > > Swami condemns me as being of a lower nature - as > > > one is > > > > never allowed to say, 'me' 'my,' 'I' or anything > > > that > > > differentiates or > > > > separates. > > > > > > > > G: as far as the stigmata ----- show it ...... if > > > it is within and > > > not > > > > for the world then Shut up about it ......... for > > > you are using it > > > as a > > > > sense of pride...... if it is for the world then > > > Show it ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > * But I am certain, Swami, that your bank account > > > is under > > > > YOUR name and not open to the public to draw from. > > > > > > > > G: actually it is under the non-profits heading > > > and no i don't > > > > draw a salary from it ......... but what would a > > > bank account have > > > > to do with anything ..... again you are off on > > > another side avenue > > > > that has Nothing to do with anything ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > * I am sure that it is YOUR clothes that are > > > hanging in your > > > > closet, where others do not walk in and put on. > > > > > > > > G: actually yes others do put them on ..... > > > hahahahahaah > > > > > > > > * And then there is YOUR apartment, > > > > > > > > G: no --- am living at the ashram and Yes others > > > do come > > > > and go here ...... it is open for anyone to walk > > > in ..... > > > > > > > > * YOUR car and the like. What do YOU say to that? > > > > > > > > G: it is used to pick up guests at the airport and > > > transporting > > > > them wherever they need to go ..... > > > > > > > > * There IS NO YOU? Shall we stop playing games > > > here? > > > > > > > > G: yes it would be nice if you would quit playing > > > games ...... > > > > AGAIN RASA SEES A BODY ------ SHE RELATES TO A > > > FORM ---- > > > > TAKING THE FORM TO BE THAT WHICH IS SEPARATE > > > > this IS the mind of Duality ...... > > > > > > > > in this Consciousness there is always first and > > > Foremost > > > > the Stillness and Unborn Presence of Absolute > > > ----- the stilled > > > > point and from that Shakti or world comes into > > > play dividing the > > > > Light into lights ---- sounds ---- colors ----- > > > experience ..... the > > > > interaction takes place as motion --- sensation > > > ----- when it ends > > > > then again the stilled vastness is all > > > encompassing ..... the > > > > motion is Flow ...... within this it is forever > > > Not Two / Not > > > Two.... > > > > > > > > When you are tired of playing games then Stop > > > ----- and Be > > > > Still ----- Let it all fall away ..... SEE what > > > remains ..... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * Will you stop condemning my spiritual state if I > > > use > > > > personal pronouns? > > > > > > > > G: who has been attempting to condemn whom ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > * You have bounced me backward twice because of > > > the > > > > Divine Stigmata. > > > > The first letter, you asked where is it now, what > > > good has it done > > > > to save the masses? (You don't believe in > > > missionary work, so > > > > why worry about the masses?) Today you ask me > > > WHERE IS > > > > IT? Stigmatists had PHYSICAL WOUNDS, and so, where > > > are > > > > mine? > > > > > > > > G: yes ---- and you have not answered Either of > > > those > > > > questions ......... > > > > > > > > Why is it here two questions are asked and you > > > give no answer > > > > ..... ? while you have asked and laid out charges > > > and > > > > questions and i have answered them all ...... > > > > > > > > > > > > * Once again, you so cruelly and awfully > > > contradict yourself. > > > > You say that God - who is not physical is That, > > > and you are That. > > > > > > > > G: yes there is the One Divine Essense of All > > > Being .... > > > > > > > > > > > > * Then when I speak of a SPIRITUAL METAPHYSICAL > > > > UNSEEN reality, you say it has to be physical! If > > > you can't see it > > > > with your eyes, it isn't there! If it isn't > > > bleeding, it's not real! > > > > > > > > G: you are the one speaking of Duality ---- > > > Stigmata is within > > > > Duality ..... those who have claimed Stigmata have > > > had the > > > > Marks to show ------- > > > > > > > > > > > > * Here shows up a flaw in your knowledge of > > > mystical > > > > theology, (let us make a point here. Compared to > > > Evelyn > > > > Underhill, a '10' in the knowledge of classical > > > mysticism, you > > > > would be much lower. This is not to say you do not > > > understand > > > > your own > > > > state, but what Underhill knew, you are lacking. > > > You do not know > > > > everything in this field! Better to be diplomatic > > > than > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________ > > Yahoo! Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > http://mail.yahoo.com > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. 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