Damn! Of all the experiences I might have imagined having via FFL, I never imagined death threats!
Shall I call the Jefferson County Sheriff and the Department of Homeland Security and tell them I have received a death threat? Shall I e-mail Rick and suggest your message has crossed the boundaries of decency and violates the rules of FFL and you must be forever cast into outer darkness on FFL? Shall I hire a bunch of non-TM trained pundits to do a yagya for getting rid of enemies? No, I think I will point out the hilarity of a peace and love touting fellow who claims to be dedicated to creating world peace who wishes to resort to killing when someone disagrees with him. Jai Guru Fanaticism! As to your scurrilous accusations and statements, perhaps the Unity people who said they did TM once upon a time were being polite to spare your feelings by not saying "Yeah, I did TM and found it was not for me, so I went on to things that actually provided me with fulfillment." I bet that not one of those individuals said to you that TM led them to where they are today. You are projecting and fantasizing about their mention of TM meaning more than it actually did. I do not "methodically dissuade" my friends. I share with them that are open enough to look at a point of view that is not dictated by a group that claims to be working for world peace, yet always seems to fall far short of the goal, so they need more donations to keep up the good work. I am not seeking to sink anything based in science as the research on TM is dubious at best and the "research" on Marshy Effect is laughable. As I have said many times, the governments of most Third World countries would mandate every citizen do TM and TM Sidhis if the ME was real. They do not, because it does not. Period. The TMO's assertions that it IS all science based is itself based on the incredible hubris of Mahesh Varma himself who was arrogant enough to think he could buffalo people outside the Movement. Give me a billion dollars and I'll create world peace? Jesus! Nor is my stance anti-spiritual. I take issue with people and organizations that misrepresent themselves, abuse and mistreat people and ask for everything for themselves and toss people aside if they don't give the organization what it wants. I see by your charge of diabolical you seem to agree with my old friend in DC who claims I am in league with the demons. You have gone round the bend. Just know that I am not closed minded. If the TMO had EVER proven any of its many fatuous claims, I would be living in Fairfield and sitting next to you in the Dome or I would be a Re-certified TM Governor of the Global Country of World Peace striving each day to create world peace. I would be the Global Country of World Peace Minister of Fried Chicken, Biscuits and Gravy, magically providing vittles for the world's hungry out of that bag Guru Dev once had that he could produce vittles from. By the way, you are as full of poop as a Christmas goose to say that spirituality stems from being initiated into TM. What nonsense! It doesn't keep you from being spiritual, but it certainly doesn't make you spiritual. How could it with TM being a purely secular mental technique according to the Global Country of World Peace and all its subsidiaries? -------------------------------------------- On Wed, 3/19/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote: Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, Spirituality, . ..stems from being initiated into TM MJ, you bet. More experience of the transcendent as the unified field is the basis of spiritual progress and transformation, call that cultivation a transcendent meditation however you want; transcending can go by different names culturally but it in large nature is all the same. These people were glad to have run in to TM as it was taught and started something for themselves then. Now, otherwise it is something else to wonder that you methodically dissuade your friends from meditating and rejoice in that. That you actively work to sink transcendental meditation and consciousness-based education. That is incredibly anti-science and ultimately anti-spiritual. It is shocking and diabolical. I can empathize with Obama now. Were I President Obama securing the nation I'd have you straight-away on the drone list as a dangerous plotting enemy-combatant to civil society. I was going to suggest that may be you could get your own meditation checked for efficacy at transcendence. Kindly, -Buck in the Dome mjackson74 writes: Come on Buck - saying that what these folks are doing now stems from being initiated into TM is like saying an adult man is a great lover because of all the jerking off he did as a pimply adolescent teen. The Unity folks actually do have programs and a feeling for, as you said, the elderly and families with children in stark contrast to the Movement which has always looked upon all of us as money producers - the TMO program is, if they aren't producing money and support for us, get rid of 'em. The difference in the two points of view should be enough to send any sensible person away from TM and to something more meaningful. I am happy to report that one of my old friends who has done TM since 1972 recently ceased his TM practice because he could no longer justify doing a practice he could not in good conscience recommend. A good deal of his change of mind and heart had to do with the info I shared with him in the past 2 years, much of which was gleaned here on FFL. All glory to FFL! Jai Guru Truth and Common Sense! -------------------------------------------- Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Meditating Fairfield, Iowa and Unity Village Kansas City To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, March 19, 2014, 2:08 PM Egg, Maybe the Transcendent is possibly more than you are cracking your TM meditation alpha-global-coherence brain wave TM research up to be and these people are transcendental meditators still growing in Spirituality may be as something more than just alpha wave coherence. Touting alpha coherence as some gold standard is not to say that these people have not taken TM practice in experience in to their lives in different ways, like in to the heart of the subtle system which Fred Travis and his TM-science cohorts are not even close to understanding spiritually. These were pretty illumined people [Meissner-like Field Effect of consciousness]. I'd grant them some thing good that came of doing TM as new meditators years ago may be even larger than global-alpha-wave-coherence in just doing TM. Egg, If you came down off your high horse and sat with them too I think you too could even welcome them as effective [Transcending] meditators in life.With Kind Regards, -Buck in the Dome sparaig writes: The fun thing about such folk is that they've missed the point that TM's effects continue to accumulate, even 50+ years into the practice, so dabbling in it for a few years or decades means that they've missed out on the accumulated effects. Of course, one could claim that they have stopped breathing for every meditation period as they enter PC immediately and remain there, and therefore don't need to do TM any more, but no-one has ever been observed to show that so the likelihood that all of the Unity people were in that state seems slim, to me. Transcending Meditation, TM ? One of the Unity ministers from California told of an active younger Unity laity minister who just started TM that found it very helpful.. Everyone older at the coffee table discussion acknowledged starting TM back in the day, “Oh yes, TM everyone [they] started with that years ago.. tried and true”. “Nice technique well taught”. . But in their spiritual lives they went on to other things spiritual like affecting healing-prayer and meditation sort of like Patanjali TM-sidhis of the subtle system in practice of healing and prayer in a higher level of spiritual practice and service. In Unity congregations, serving both the families with children and the elderly-in-transition are strategies intertwined for a succession. Likewise TM [Maharishi Foundation] is very consciously looking at teaching TM again to student populations which was so long neglected by the TM-sidhis centric movement of Bevan and Maharishi's administration for years and recent decades gone by now. The Unity ministers recognized too that the generation of the 1980-90's got skipped, the X-er's neglecting within their studies the liberal arts, the classics and spirituality for their MBA's and other technical and professional degrees got missed entirely by spiritual movements. . The lost generation. These particular practiced ministerial communitarian spiritual Unity people I spoke with are busy at it providing services to people with younger families now and looking out for the elderly who are still active but potentially "in transition"; the older who though elderly are independent and well before moving to assisted living, moving away to where their kids live, or to nursing homes or hospice end-of-life. Talking with these active ministers is like talking with the active David Lynch Foundation TM teachers and some of the successful TM.org field teachers now. They have a lot of shakti in their work. In talking with these active Unity ministers it's like what we have seen in TM, that the WWII generation that recognized what was going on spiritually and shared their success and support by the checkbook is pretty much demographically gone now. The traditional WWII generation is pretty much gone now. Now the baby-boom, the “spiritual but not-religious” atheistic individualistic 'in-it-for-yours-truly' sorts are not yet there to supporting altruistically much good in community works. A couple of the California ministers were saying a challenge in Marin Co. California where they live is that only 4 percent of their populations attend a church. 4 percent. The rest? They go hiking for themselves, have membership in fitness centers, and may be go to a yoga studio for their community and spirituality. These ministers I interviewed over coffee were front-line with active large communities who were visiting back on a conference at Unity Village sharing their movement's challenge. Within TM we have seen this trend too as our TM elders who facilitated the late 1950's, 60's, and 1970's TM movement with Maharishi have pretty much all passed away now with their check-books gone too. There are some baby-boomers who are able and community minded with resources but they are fewer now too from the heady days of a few years ago. A lot of the upper-middle-class TM meditators left the TM movement in the 1990's. Likewise, a security person there reflecting on the Unity Village campus spoke in 3rd person about how just 10 years ago Unity V. was still a happening hopping place with a lot of people there and has really since dropped off to not much now in the last five years or so. The challenge the Unity movement see there with these elders-in-transition is that those deeper and sustaining check-books move with these elderly and consequently those deeper check-books move away from supporting their local Unity churches and the larger Unity movement; the baby-boomers are not as able or interested in keeping up the support behind their parents. Their challenge as a movement now out in the world is the competitive marketplace in spirituality where fewer and fewer places have demographics with spiritual church-attending people. I sat with some ministers from California and Texas Unity churches, their comment was around their work engaging young families and middle-age 40's with families with programming like schools, services and such and then additionally attending to their 'transitional-elderly' who are being removed from their independence around by their baby-boomer kids, moving from their active communities and churches in to care facilities away from their communities. Like TM now, their [Unity] founding generations are passed and gone and their successive continuing elders then of the 20th Century height of their movement (1920-30-40-50's) are gone now too with their deep check-books. Like TM now is post-founder, the trick their Unity foundation boards of trustees are dealing with is trying to keep engaged whatever subsequent stalwart-generational members there are of their Unity Churches out in the world so that when those folks [baby-boom] pass away some of their check-books can come to support the physical-plant of even their Unity mecca -Unity Village in Kansas. Om,I was in Unity last nite and meditated there this morning too. Unity Village, Kansas City. Was there last week too passing through. It was really a nice place to meditate. The chapels were nice places to meditate. They were a bunch of spiritual transcendentalists that came out also at the time of the New Thought Movements [google New Thought later for the fun of it] of the late 19th and early 20th Century who though fundamentally transcendentalists in experience couched themselves in 'practical christianity'. Was a big deal in its time. Unity Village in Kansas City, Mo. is sort of like Fairfield, Iowa is now to the TM movement in the USA. An artifact of a time.-Buck back in the Meditating Community of Fairfield, Iowa ...... .
