On Oct 24, 2005, at 8:37 AM, sparaig wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> >> >> On Oct 24, 2005, at 3:22 AM, sparaig wrote: >> >> >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Oct 23, 2005, at 2:19 PM, sparaig wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> > wrote: > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Oct 22, 2005, at 9:43 PM, sparaig wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> To warn people to not use antioxidants during chemotherapy >>>>>>> because of the mechanism involved (which is what the only >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> mention >>> >>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> of >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> this issue I can find says) is like warning people to not take >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> anti- >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> oxidants when they are sick because it might interfere with >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> their >>> >>> >>>>>>> immune systems. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> The mechanism is the process by which the drug works, so It's >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> pretty >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> important. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It's also the mechanism by which our OWN immune system works. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Secondly, is there any evidence that cancer cells "hoard" >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> anything >>> >>> >>>>>>> due to taking amrit kalash? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Ask the MAPI people--I doubt they've done research on it >>>>>> > though. > >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Finally, is there any research showing that taking sane levels >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>> of >>> >>> >>>>>>> antioxidants during chemotherapy has any detrimental effect at >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>> all? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> I guess it would depend on what you mean by "sane". It's also >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> going >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> to depend on what type of chemotherapy you're having and what >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> type >>> >>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> of >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> tumor you have. Bottom line: ask your oncologist if it is OK to >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> take >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> a powerful free-radical scavenger during treatment. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> OK, how about ANY RESEARCH AT ALL on humans or even animals? >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> Yeah it's out there no doubt as these recommendations have been >>>> > in > >>>> effect for a while. Originally it was for people who liked to >>>> megadose with vit. c. Now that there are plant antioxidants out >>>> >>>> >>> there >>> >>> >>>> that are extremely powerful you'll begin to see warnings on these >>>> >>>> >>> as >>> >>> >>>> well (e.g. grape seed extract, pycnogenol). I know in a recent >>>> >>>> >>> trial >>> >>> >>>> I was involved in, these were all parts of the study design. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> To see if there was an effect, or to try to eliminate a >>> > theoretical > >>> effect that hadn't been documented? >>> >> >> To maximize the number of people who would go into remission. >> >> > > And they know this because...? > > What evidence is there that taking Vitamin C or other antioxidant > interferes with chemotherapy? "Mechanism" studies are _in vitro_, > which means they aren't on living subjects where complex, non-linear > interactions with literally unpredictable (when trying to extrapolate > from test tube studies) results are the rule. The reference that was > provided in this group was a to review that reports that there ARE > studies showing reductions in side-effects from taking anti-oxidants > during chemotherapy. There was also a study referenced in that review > that reported a potentially significant greater mortality rate for > people taking very large doses of pure vitamins during chemotherapy, > but since some vitamins, like E, are known to promote heart attacks > and other potentially fatal side effects in megadoses, this may have > had nothing to do with any chemotherapy interaction, but just with > run-of-the-mill overdose toxicity possibly combined with an overall > weakened system either from the chemo, or the cancer or both. > > In other words, there's no evidence that reasonable dosing with > antioxidants during chemo is harmful, and while MAK's antioxidant > effects are quite powerful, side-effects are virtually unknown for > most people at the recommended dose of 1 heaping teaspoons twice a > day. >
Hey, do what you want, it's your life. You seem already sold, I don't think anything anyone says is going to change your mind. We were pretty happy that we could put 95% of people into remission. It was a known counter-effect to the mechamism we were using--it was not chemotherapy but a new method. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
