better results then than the 90% who witness Marshy's made up puja and later decide TM is not for them.
________________________________ From: nablusoss1008 <[email protected]> To: [email protected] Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2014 6:22 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Mindfulness; the Guru as mantra - Let 'er rip, or not? Mindfullness is getting quite popular but it's probably just a fad. I've met two who tried it, both claimed they only got a headache from it and no peacefulness. ---In [email protected], <punditster@...> wrote : On 5/28/2014 11:37 PM, fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: >>I was thinking about those here, that I know of - Barry, Barry2, and Anne - who have closely studied with a guru, or spiritual teacher, and how the concept, the practice of mindfulness, makes a lot of sense, in that context. >> > >Mindfulness is meditation, a practice which involves thinking. The term "mindfulness" is really a misnomer because the whole idea of yogic meditation is to transcend the mind of discursive thinking and to experience emptiness. The goal of both mindfulness and meditation is yoga - the experience of samadhi. > >The potential problem with some teachers-student relationships is that the teacher may become the focus of the meditation and thus tend to keep the seeker on the conscious level of thinking - the meditation often becomes a form of guru yoga. > >For example, Fred Lenz used to put a framed photo Chinmoy on a coffee table and have his students meditate on the image, calling it "The Transcendental." Apparently this had an adverse effect on some seekers. Go figure. > >My Guru, the Lama: >https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/FairfieldLife/conversations/messages/367198 >> > > >>As I have expressed before, I am not a big fan of mindfulness, as a meditation practice, on its own, eyes open, or closed, because to my way of thinking, it puts the cart before the horse. However, I can see the strong value in having a spiritual teacher that a person actually has a personal relationship with, combined with mindfulness. >> >>That way, the teacher is functioning, much like the correct use of the mantra, in TM - bringing the student to subtler levels and experiences, without the student having a say, in where they want to go (aka, take it easy, take it as it comes). Breaks boundaries, quickly. >> >>Seems to me, that the advantage, of a personal relationship, with a spiritual teacher, combined with mindfulness, if done right, would be big, dramatic breakthroughs, in many, many areas - much faster, than the gradual 'erosion' of the mantra - though possible not as comprehensive, either...Both of the Barrys have mentioned significant interactions, as a result of, both, their attention, or mindfulness, on where the guru was pointing, in addition to the strength of the experience, itself, as a result of the guru's proximity. >> >>A risky spiritual investment, with a potentially huge upside, and downside - an interesting way to roll. >> >>Barrys and Anne (and anyone else), any insights, comments, peanuts, popcorn, confetti, fun-fetti, hair-in-a-can, or spare change?? > > > > This email is free from viruses and malware because avast! Antivirus > protection is active. >
