Just curious - how did you find out you had been blacklisted? Did it come up next time you applied for some kind of rounding course?
________________________________ From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 3:45 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : You may have addressed this before I came on FFL , but were you still a student and got kicked out of MIU when you joined up with RC? Or did you just leave the university, or had you graduated when Robin came along? I had graduated in 1980 and went out to NY and NJ to live for a couple of years. Then a friend who was a baker out at MIU (!) on staff asked if I wanted to come back and run a riding program in FF for MIU people which I did. That was 1982, the Fall I think. Her husband ended up at the lecture Robin gave at some hall in town and he thought he sounded pretty 'out there' but also "had something goin' on". I had seen some literature Robin had written while still out in NJ and I liked the sound of it, kind of stirring the pot stuff. So that combined with my friend's experience caused me to hook up with some people who got me to the house in FF where RC lived and I started watching some tapes in the early part of 1983. So I was well out of school by then but was still blacklisted from the Domes and the campus after my participation in his group. ________________________________ From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 11:33 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : It is only my opinion, but I think the number of people who were willing to go see Robin and to become part of his group is indicative of the shortcomings of both Marshy and his TMO - in other words, if either of them had been what they had claimed to be, no one would have looked twice at Robin. I think this may be true for some of the people but it was more like he had something to offer above and beyond meditation. He had, supposedly, the means to recognize and weaken one's personal demon through a process of tracking the demonic within oneself through the use of verbal and non verbal processes and confrontation. He was also a dynamic, very personal and interesting man to be around. Where TM and TM courses were slow moving, understated and rather snooze-worthy, being around Robin and the other friends within the group was anything but. We still did TM, we still acknowledged our roots within Maharishi's teaching but we were going way past that into areas that were scary and fascinating and very dramatic. Looking back I see how crazy it was and how really crazy it got by the end but being a part of the Robin thing was not for the faint of heart. It was pretty much what going on a rounding course was not - in both good ways and bad ways. ________________________________ From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, June 2, 2014 9:44 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: A Little MIU Story ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote : Wowzer. I don't think that's the issue Michael, this seeing of other teachers. That was not the problem the primary problem with RWC. Yes, if you became a follower, evidently there were consequences. But the situation there, as I understand it, was a frontal assault on the organization to usurp the authority of the existing teacher You had someone who felt he had a mandate to move the organization in a different direction. As I recall it, Robin wasn't out to set himself up as the Movement head or leader or anything else. He simply didn't agree with some things that were happening. (Because I was never interested in the TM org or the politics of it all and had never had aspirations to become a teacher the details of this were not important to me other than I liked his chuztpah and was attracted to the interesting vibe of the thing. And I wanted to see if I could tell if he was enlightened or not, get a chance to check out this outspoken guy.) He wanted to have a voice and let people know this and so a group formed around him once he made the move to FF and started giving seminars. Before that he simply lived in Victoria surrounded by a few Canadian TM teachers who still meditated, who took being a TM teacher seriously and who revered MMY but who also believed Robin to be enlightened and able to "help" them reach enlightenment by separating and recognizing the demonic from the divine within themselves. He became "enlightened" in 1976 and moved to FF in 1982 so there was a lot of time where there was simply a close-knit group of friends hanging out, eating meals together and getting the hell confronted out of them. It was around 1983 I believe, that the World Teacher Seminar emerged but he never had designs on taking over the TM Movement, I'm not sure he felt there was much hope for it by that time but he still loved MMY. Looky here. That's exactly what SSRS did. Was there a problem? No. Why? Because he set up a separate organization and made his pitch in a different venue. Did it work? Yes, many people went into his camp. Did it elicit the kind of reaction from the TMO that the RWC did? Not in the slightest. Does that indicate to you that the two situations were different? Probably not. To anyone else who doesn't have a stick up their butt about the TMO? Yes.
