But Richard, the entire Gita is the Lord telling Arjuna to act! Krishna is not telling the gunas to act! In fact He's telling Arjuna to be without the gunas and act!
Maybe we can agree that it's a paradox... On Wednesday, June 18, 2014 9:54 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 6/17/2014 8:43 PM, Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: >SoundofStillness, I used the concordance to Maharishi's Gita translation and >checked the references under "effort." Chapter 4, vs 12 to 15 seem useful wrt >to your question. In vs 12, Maharishi makes the point that animals depend on >the force of evolution to move upward. But humans have freedom of action and >therefore development "depends upon how he acts and what he does." Also in vs >12 Maharishi introduces the idea that the Lord gives rise to all action AND at >the same time is separate from it. this is elaborate on in the next few verses. > > According to MMY in CBG: "The authorship of action does not in reality belong to the "I". It is a mistake to understand that "I" do this, "I" experience this and "I" know this. All action is performed by the three gunas born of Nature." - MMY on BG - V: 14; 1967, p. 259. The implications of these passages indicate that the nature of the mind is appreciated as it is, separate from activity. The "goal" of TM does not consist in achieving anything or reaching anything, but simply in recognizing what already is the case, that the "I" is essentially uninvolved with activity. Here, the ONLY criterion is internal: the Self cognized as independent of action. "But he who knows the truth about the divisions of the gunas and their actions, O mighty armed, knowing that it is the gunas which act upon the gunas, remains unattached." MMY on BG - V: 27; 1967, p. 220 > > > > > > >On Tuesday, June 17, 2014 6:01 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' pundits...@gmail.com >[FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: > > > > >On 6/17/2014 1:07 PM, soundofstilln...@ymail.com [FairfieldLife] wrote: > > >>From my minimalist way of understanding, Shyam Ranganathan is suggesting, as >>he did in his translation and commentary of the Yoga sSutra that Purusha = >>Person indeed does have "Agency" according to the great philosopher Maharishi >>Patanjali. >> > > >>"The Sankhya Karika appears to state that it is nature that brings about freedom, while Patañjali’s view seems to be that it is persons that are the explanation of freedom (I write about this in my introduction to my translation). The relevant points of comparison are the Sankhya Karika 17, 44–45, 62–64, where the person is >>described as irrelevant to the process of liberation, and Yoga Sutra I.21, IV.18, and IV.29 where persons and their self improvement are treated as instrumental to liberation . . ." >> >>http://indianphilosophyblog.org/2014/03/07/moral-standing-and-yoga/ >> >>"irrelevant to the process of liberation" sayest the Sankhya Karika >> >>"persons and their self improvement are treated as instrumental to liberation" sayest the Yoga Sutra >> >>Letting go for a moment (or two) everything you've read, thought and talked about, concentrated on, contemplated . . . and based on your Person(al) experience of tens of thousands of hours of meditation, what sez you? >> >>Do Purusha(s) = You have agency regarding their/Your realization, enlightenment and liberation? >> >>Or as the Sankhya Karika and Vedanta suggest, from my understanding, Purusha, Person, Pure Awareness, >>is but the observer with no capacity to act at all. >> >>And what did Maharishi have to say? > >In commenting on Bhagavad Gita, Maharishi has brought our attention to the existence of the gunas, whose concern is action, which, in every case, is the result of the interplay of three constituents born of nature - eternal becoming, termed prakriti in the Gita. Rajas, sattva and tamas - these three propensities regulate the state of action and are relative to each other and to all that exists in the phenomenal world. That is, nature, which is everything, is subject to the law of causation - cause and effect. It is the gunas, without exception, that govern all action-reaction in the material world, according to the rishis. > >However, Maharishi has also called our attention to the fact that nature, governed by the three gunas, is entirely separate from the transcendental field - the field of Being, termed Purusha in the Gita. > >Work cited: > > >"On the Bhagavad Gita" >By Maharishi Mahesh Yogi >II., v. 45, p. 126 VI., v. 1, p. 384 >> > > >> > > >