OK, I agree, you are not clever. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote :
I don't recall having ever called myself clever. And are you also reviling Ann for her experience that I am commenting on? From: "fleetwood_macncheese@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 12:10 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Such a stupid association. The first time I drove a car, I was afraid. Must have been because cars are bad, and I better not listen to those who say it is a transient experience, that we outgrow, huh, MJ? BS from someone too lazy to know what he is talking about. You call yourself clever for seeking the other side of your particular coin, though it looks awfully childish and presumptuous from those of us who have moved on. Once you are done spouting these reactive, and mentally weak ideas, I look forward again, to your writing about life. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : See? That's what I am talking about - were the experience really an experience of feeling yourself to be the unbounded awareness that supposedly underlies all creation, there would be no fear. But I know a lot of folks who describe similar experiences to the one you had and I think its a pretty good fit for the psychologists assessment of them. But when the TM'ers started having such things happen, Marshy had to make up some pie in the sky story to convince them to stick with him so he had to tell them it was positive. From: "awoelflebater@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2014 9:53 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : that which people call witnessing is a state of disassociation - ergo, that which TM'ers love to believe is a sign of rising enlightenment is actually a psychotic state of disconnect from reality. I have to agree with you on the disassociation thing. Witnessing is not pleasant. It used to happen randomly to me as a young person, before TM and sometimes after learning TM. Sometimes it was associated with an event that was freaky or scary which would cause me to witness. Other times it would just happen - the first time when I was 10 years old in Switzerland, I remember it clearly and it scared me because it lasted for about an hour. This is not a state that feels good or appears to accomplish anything for the witnesser other than to make one feel distant from oneself. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't like this going on for months or even years. From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, July 23, 2014 10:23 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] 7/21-23 - Maharishi: A discussion of karma and not speaking ill of others Oh, okay. My take is that the spiritual path is rigorous, and that transcending offers a respite. That has been my experience. I can't say that the dissociative state is something that makes much sense to me. I can see where there might be some objection to the mantra being associated with a Hindu Deity. I can see where someone might be put off by the ceremony, but quieting of the mind, with the resulting lowering of metabolic activity seem to be positive things in my opinion.
