Really you didn't feel much with Amma? That is interesting - so many people claim she has tons of energy - of course others claim she is stealing the group's energy and people believe its hers so...
________________________________ From: "steve.sun...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 10:54 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Science and the Meissner Effect of Consciousness as Field Thinking back to my time with M, I'm not sure if I felt much of what might be termed "darshan". There may have been a lot of power of suggestion going on that produced some of that feeling. I remember seeing both Ammachi and Karunamayi in person, once each, and not feeling much in the way of darshan either. I guess, what is strange, is that now, when I reflect on the times I was with MMY personally, I seem to feel it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Darshan doesn't exist? Om ha, ha, ha! That's funny, someone on the side sent me a picture today of Karunamayi having gold vibuti coming out her hand while she is holding her hand up. Om ye of little experience and therefore little faith, you are pitiful. -Buck steve.sundur writes: You have to understand that Michael lives in a black and white world. Darshan doesn't exist if not everyone responds to an so called enlightened individual in an exact same way. The ME hasn't produced the result as it has predicted, so therefore it has not effect, no value. I am not sure what makes a person view things in such a black and white way, and really wouldn't want to speculate about it. Oh, and then anyone who believes otherwise is some kind of cult apologist, or true believer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Prove darshan exists - its a made up feel good deal. There are people who met Marshy and didn't feel shit for energy from him. So how do you account for that? Just interjecting here - I haven't been around anyone with this thing you call darshan and I certainly don't believe in "saints". Saints are renderings on canvas and in sculpture of mythical creatures who existed centuries ago and were memorialized in works of art. There are only human beings. Some are charismatic, some could charm the pants (literally) off someone and some can make you do all sorts of things like spend lots of money or time doing things they want you to do. However, there is power and there is energy and there is all sorts of stuff going on in the universe that is mysterious and scary and wonderful and invisible. The fact that some can feel the purported darshan from MMY and some don't is just like some people can be moved or can appreciate or feel the power in a great piece of music or art or film and some simply don't get it. It's in the perception of the perceiver, not necessarily inherent or not inherent in the object, person or event. ________________________________ From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Science and the Meissner Effect of Consciousness as Field ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Yes quite evidently you and the other anti-meditation anti-science folks here are afraid of where the data is going. Your asserting no data therefore no replication and therefore it can't be talked about or researched. You need psychiatric help. Asserting that it does not exist defies reality and scientific process itself of data, observation, hypothesis and testing . Lawson is looking at how to replicate given the practical constraints of such a project given the data. You completely miss-interpret to your own vile ends. You evidently don't want anything to happen less it disturb your anti-meditation and anti-spiritual grumblings. You contend the research can't be replicated and shouldn't be, well talk about subterfuge and anti-science anti-intellectualism. Next we'll hear from you that there never was such a thing as darshan where obviously there is and then you'll say it is not worth trying to look at for fear of what we might find. Did you just renew your membership down at the local conservative Anglican Church or something that you come on so regressive like you do? Is this your enlightenment Buck? A refusal to read what people say and then project some weird victim fantasy onto anyone who doesn't automatically accept the great master Hagelin at his word? Read it again and respond to what I say, not your paranoid fantasies. The ME hasn't produced the result as it has predicted, so therefore it has not effect, no value. I am not sure what makes a person view things in such a black and white way, and really wouldn't want to speculate about it. Oh, and then anyone who believes otherwise is some kind of cult apologist, or true believer. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote : Prove darshan exists - its a made up feel good deal. There are people who met Marshy and didn't feel shit for energy from him. So how do you account for that? Just interjecting here - I haven't been around anyone with this thing you call darshan and I certainly don't believe in "saints". Saints are renderings on canvas and in sculpture of mythical creatures who existed centuries ago and were memorialized in works of art. There are only human beings. Some are charismatic, some could charm the pants (literally) off someone and some can make you do all sorts of things like spend lots of money or time doing things they want you to do. However, there is power and there is energy and there is all sorts of stuff going on in the universe that is mysterious and scary and wonderful and invisible. The fact that some can feel the purported darshan from MMY and some don't is just like some people can be moved or can appreciate or feel the power in a great piece of music or art or film and some simply don't get it. It's in the perception of the perceiver, not necessarily inherent or not inherent in the object, person or event. ________________________________ From: salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, August 6, 2014 7:44 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Science and the Meissner Effect of Consciousness as Field ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Yes quite evidently you and the other anti-meditation anti-science folks here are afraid of where the data is going. Your asserting no data therefore no replication and therefore it can't be talked about or researched. You need psychiatric help. Asserting that it does not exist defies reality and scientific process itself of data, observation, hypothesis and testing . Lawson is looking at how to replicate given the practical constraints of such a project given the data. You completely miss-interpret to your own vile ends. You evidently don't want anything to happen less it disturb your anti-meditation and anti-spiritual grumblings. You contend the research can't be replicated and shouldn't be, well talk about subterfuge and anti-science anti-intellectualism. Next we'll hear from you that there never was such a thing as darshan where obviously there is and then you'll say it is not worth trying to look at for fear of what we might find. Did you just renew your membership down at the local conservative Anglican Church or something that you come on so regressive like you do? Is this your enlightenment Buck? A refusal to read what people say and then project some weird victim fantasy onto anyone who doesn't automatically accept the great master Hagelin at his word? Read it again and respond to what I say, not your paranoid fantasies.
