ok. I certainly wouldn't mind hearing it. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com,
<mjackson74@...> wrote : I am working on my answer - its kind of long
From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>To:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, August 15, 2014 9:55 AMSubject: Re:
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8/12&13/14-Maharishi: As we take care of ourself, the world
will take of itself for us on that level
What I am trying to suss out, from Michael, I guess, is why TM is being
singled out for its "badness". Generally speaking it seems that the basic goal
of all meditation is the quieting of the mind.
So, whether it is mindfulness, or "watching thoughts", the result is the same
even if the technique is not.
I am also trying to figure out the difference between "beginner" meditation,
and "advanced " meditation.
When I was a kid the Jack Kramer autograph tennis racket was the "one to
have". I never had one, but the racket I did have served me pretty well. I
believe it was a basic Wilson racket.
For me, I am comfortable with my TM.
And contrary to popular belief, I don't think most here feel the need to
trumpet TM as the very "bestest". What people object to is the demonization of
the technique.
And so I ask again, what is about TM, that in some people's mind, make it such
a bad thing.
And I wouldn't mind a little "compare and contrast" stating why this might be
the case.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <dhamiltony2k5@...> wrote : Om 7Ray, this
meditation of yours on meditation is exceedingly ecumenical of you. So,
transcendental consciousness is something more than alpha wave coherence in the
brain? Like a field in coherence that the may be the TM researchers are not
measuring in the heart and brain? Quite evidently they do not have a handle on
the heart yet strictly in TM. The Yogananda people [5,000 meditators] out West
having 3 hour group meditations twice a day evidently in Meissner Effect during
their annual convocation? TM in America at least does not seem to be able to
bring that kind of critical spiritual mass together to research anymore. Would
you have us join with Edg, Turqb and Salyvin in meditation for the possibility
of its spiritual Meissner Field Effect in nature?
-Buck in the Dome
seventhray27 writes:
Okay, no biggie, but what about the technique?
Okay, you've got Edg, who you respect, and so do I, saying, if I understand
him correctly, that there are different means to transcend. You can observe
thoughts till you find a break in the action and then settle to a quieter place.
You've got Barry who, again, if I understand it correctly, practices some form
of meditation on a daily basis. Same with Salyavin, who has indicated that he
does TM, at least some of the time.
It seems to me that basically, they all work the same way. So, why would one
technique, be singled out as being harmful.
Or maybe you give the technique a pass, but find fault with the culture around
it, especially the upsell.
But take that away, and I can't see where the basic technique differs much
from any other forms of meditation.
Yes, if I found myself giving an introductory lecture, I would say,with
confidence, that the technique is natural and effortless, and that it follows
the natural tendency of the mind to go to a field of great charm. In my mind
that field is sat chit ananda. But I wouldn't use that term.
And no, I would not say that is the "best" form of meditation available.
Anyway, I'd welcome your opinion, if you'd care to share it.
# #
mjackson74 harps:
I disagree - I felt the same way. Through a series of circumstances I believed
that Marshy was enlightened too. And over time I came to see that was not the
case. It is a part of growing up in many ways to see through the smoke a
mirrors a powerful personality or a charismatic personality creates, especially
when lots of people will agree with and reinforce the illusion. As Rick as said
on here, the truth is not harmful to anyone. Tough to swallow, but it doesn't
hurt to know the truth.
From: "steve.sundur@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>To:
FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2014 7:49 PMSubject:
[FairfieldLife] Re: 8/12&13/14-Maharishi: As we take care of ourself, the world
will take of itself for us on that level
What I find kind of interesting is to see people here, over time, keep
discounting anything to do with MMY.
I don't mean to single out Barry, but I've seen, (particularly with that quote
Judy found), that MMY's stature has gone from someone enlightened, in Barry's
eyes, to someone with no awakening, but rather a personality that people just
latched onto because they had a cult mindset.
It really doesn't make a lot of sense, and as Jim likes to point out, says a
lot more about the person finding fault, than the object of that person's
criticism.
I guess this is a just sayin' observation.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <awoelflebater@...> wrote : While
reading this I see that this was a golden time for MMY and for the Movement.
There is so much power behind what he says here and seemingly so much truth.
This was a pleasure to read. It reminds me why I started to meditate back in
1970 and why I attended MIU. What a pleasure to read!
Jai Guru Dev
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