--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "brahmachari108" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > snip > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Paula Youmans" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Seriously.how does anyone ever know??? > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I don't believe anyone ever does, in an absolute sense. Life > is > > > one > > > > > long continuum, from evolution to dissolution and over and > over > > > > > again, so 'enlightenment' as we call it, is a step whereby > we > > > > > recognize that our sense of ourselves transcends the > limitations > > > > > that our prior evolution has placed on us. We are larger > than we > > > > > ever imagined, and live and experience this as reality. > > > > > > > > > > It seems as if that state is only called 'enlightenment' > because > > > the > > > > > common experience in daily life and locked within our DNA is > > > that we > > > > > *are* in fact the sum of our limitations. It is how worlds > are > > > built > > > > > typically on Earth, now. That whole 'not enough resources, > grab > > > what > > > > > you can' mentality is a result of living as self-limited > beings. > > > > > > > > > > So, when we stop living the surrealistic reality of our > assumed > > > > > limitations, and become free, we are said to then > > > be 'enlightened'. > > > > > But it is merely relative to what our past experience has > been. > > > In > > > > > reality, there is no actual enlightenment. It is just an > > > > > evolutionary stage we are very, very fond of here on Earth, > > > around > > > > > which a consensus has formed with regard to its desirability. > > > > > > > > > > On the one hand, it is a significant achievement, a > milestone of > > > > > growth, and on the other hand it is no different really from > the > > > > > achievements we have achieved all of our lives. > > > > > > > > > > Perhaps we prize it so greatly because of the subjective > > > experience > > > > > both of inner and outer freedom, and the knowledge, ability, > > > > > responsibility and love that comes with it. All admirable > > > qualities. > > > > > It both encompasses and transforms the human experience. > > > > > > > > > > And yet, once this state of inner and outer freedom is > reached, > > > life > > > > > goes on, relative responsibilities and achievements > continue, > > > and > > > > > one day we will look a long way back and realize > > > > > that 'enlightenment', that which seemed so important once, > is > > > not so > > > > > relevant to our lives, that the importance of that awakening > has > > > > > faded over the years, like the memory of a favorite > relative, or > > > the > > > > > significant achievement of learning to walk as a young > child. > > > > > > > > > > Yet, on the horizon of our timeless lives ...another > > > enlightenment > > > > > beckons... > > > > > > > > > > > > Forgive please but what does your believing have to do with > the > > > Truth of it? > > > > Interesting it is in this group how so many are so eager to > let > > > others know what their > > > > thinking is on enlightenment. > > > > > > What is your thinking on it? > > > > What good is it to think on it? > > > > > > > > > > Mental masturbation, this suppostion on the qualities of > > > enlightenment. > > > > > > Is that all you can do because you are 'brahmachari'-- *mental* > > > masturbation? > > > > I don't do sex in any fashion. Mental or otherwise. > > Brahmachari definition is not limited to sex. > > Truth. > > > > > > > > > TMO fallout.....EGO. > > > > > > So you've had bad experiences with the TMO? > > > > No, I had "good" experiences at the time, but found out these > experiences really didn't > > provide Truth nor enlightenment. > > No regrets. > > > > > > > > > Flowery words making it sound as if there is none, yet the > > > proferring itself betrays. > > > > > > What are you talking about? > > > > Reading your words and most others on their proclamations betrays > the level of so called > > enlightenment. > > Do you think that if someone were truly enlightened, he would feel > the need to tell > > "others?" What "other" exists in enlightenment? > > If enlightenment is egoless, then what drives this need? > > > > > > > > > > Just a few in this group actually contribute references within > > > their paths of practice without > > > > the "personal commentary" of what they think they know. > > > > > > > > More useful and true to the mission of this group, it would be > if > > > more of such > > > > contributions were posted. > > > > > > What is the mission of this group, as you see it? > > > > It's obvious that garrulity rules. > > "Let me tell you what I think"...EGO may not be the mission but it > appears clearly. > > A place for worthless banter on subjects equally worthless from a > group of supposedly > > spiritually advanced practitioners. > > > > Save for a few gems. > > > > > > > > > > Worthless as well, this post. > > > > > > To each his own... > > > > Indeed. > > > > What do I know. > > > > Nothing personal... > > > > Peace. > > > And peace to you. Someone once said that it is easy to be a critic. > I personally enjoy sharing experiences and commenting on them. It is > all pretty light-hearted actually. And if there are a few gems > amongst all the dross, so be it- more than we will find in People > magazine, eh? > > If you indeed have nothing to say, then why continue to comment > on 'worthless posts' as you see them? Are your comments any more > meaningful than any others? I am not criticizing you, just making > the point that it is discourse that some of us find useful here- not > as you suggest our attempts to flatter ourselves by proclamations of > our own enlightenment. Are you and I even all that different? >
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