dear Dan, well there is rock salt but I'm not sure it means that salt is a rock (-: Reminds me again of what a great sense of humor God has...
On Sunday, September 7, 2014 12:24 PM, danfriedman2002 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : Richard, I was just at the annual gem, mineral, fossil and geode show and I can tell you: rocks have consciousness (-: Rocks rock! Rock me baby! Rock on! (i'm on a roll...get it?) Is Gold a rock? I'm heavy gold. loading up! (Disclosure:financial advice must be taken with a grain of salt) Is salt a rock? On Sunday, September 7, 2014 12:05 PM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: On 9/7/2014 11:16 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: >>And yet Richard, I bet those materialists use verbal testimony to impart this bit of knowledge! Weird! Reminds me of those people who are conscious when they say that consciousness doesn't exist! >> > >Almost all transcendentalists accept verbal knowledge as a valid means of knowledge. But, even a materialist does not deny that they are conscious beings. That would not even make any sense. Even common sense tells us that a person has to have consciousness in order to be conscious. And, everyone is self-conscious to a certain degree. > >The highest relative knowledge is composed of ideas - that's why they call it knowledge. It's just that the materialists think that consciousness is generated by matter or a combination of material properties. An idealist in contrast, by way of inference, holds that since we can't find consciousness in a dead body, that consciousness is transcendental or beyond the physical world of sense perceptions. > >We know this from reading about it and by hearing about it from teachers. Such a theory becomes concrete experience when ignorance is replaced with absolute knowledge, Moksha. >> > > >> >> >>On Sunday, September 7, 2014 10:58 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >> >> >> >> >>On 9/7/2014 10:06 AM, Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: >> >> >>>Richard, if I remember correctly, some of his fellow monks claimed to see St. Joseph Cupertino levitate. Were they really all under a trance?! >>> > >>You have to remember Share, that most materialists do not accept verbal testimony as a valid means of knowledge. And, it has already been established that we can't trust our own perceptions. So, anyone making levitation claims is already self-refuted just by reason of common sense. A discussion of metaphysics probably won't appeal to most of the scientists on this forum. >>> >> >> >>> >>> >>>On Sunday, September 7, 2014 9:45 AM, "'Richard J. Williams' punditster@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>On9/7/2014 6:10 AM, TurquoiseBee turquoiseb@... [FairfieldLife] wrote: >>> >>>I don't know. I'll never know. Knowing what I know now about suggestion and the placebo effect and the neurochemistry of it all, OF COURSE these experiences of mine could have been the result of suggestion. But suggestion or not, they really *were* my experiences. > >>>Maybe we will never know why some people are so highly prone to suggestion, but we do know what people mean when the claim they saw something that was "REAL"- that usually means that it was real in the sense that a guy could suspend himself in mid-air with no physical means of support. >>> >>>But, that couldn't be real - nobody has ever been able to demonstrate levitation or win the check in Randi's wallet. Lots of people have dreams and halucinations and get put under hypnosis, but usually they come out of it after they wake up or come down. If they don't, they should probably go see a cult exit counselor or a psychiatrist. >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >
