One of the best posts I have read here on FFL: Perfectly describes the TMO and most other guru deals
If enlightenment is real, it will make one independent of the means that got one there. Any enlightenment movement that fails to recognise this is doomed to become a dark cloud on the awareness of mankind. But most movements only partially transform and do not release, they try to hold on to you. They cannot let you succeed because if you do, you will not need them for anything. So a corrupt spiritual movement wants you to believe certain things so you cannot reason, because you need to be able to reason to work your way through the veil of ignorance, for if you do that, you will see the beliefs are always false, if you go far enough. A spiritual system is like a septic system, crap in one end, and reasonably clear water out the other. A corrupt spiritual system is like a clogged gold-plated sewer pipe. Looks nice on the outside, but inside... ________________________________ From: "Xenophaneros Anartaxius anartax...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 11:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic. My read folder Ann, contains certain posters who tend to not just post one liners or irrelevant comments. Edg is in the read post. Another criterion for this folder is a person does not post excessively. As you now have your own folder it's easy to find your messages. Barry is in the read folder. Putting you in that folder however is like putting protons and anti-protons together. In the past Edg has made some rather interesting posts but infrequently. His great dissatisfaction with things TM only came to my awareness with this recent series of posts. Now I have been dissatisfied with many things the TMO does, but I always had a certain detachment from it all, for one thing, I had certain goals, I started TM at a later age than many here did, I was not enamoured of Maharishi, only if what he said was useful for me at a particular time was he important to me, and I had some rudimentary knowledge of other traditions so the stuff in the TM movement was something I had to collate with what went before, it did not replace what went before (that of course is a TMO no no). Gurus were tools for me. What I got from the tools related to my goals and everything else was on the outskirts of it all. I think I must have been at MIU during part of the time Edg was there, but I tend not to remember people's names very well, and am kind of reclusive. I do not think I personally have met anyone on this forum except, briefly, Rick Archer, but who knows, I may have met more. Maharishi was useful for me when he was useful, but it was almost always by proxy. I only saw him, I think, three times in person. Noticing how the movement handled money, and that it always went one way, I was always careful to not give them any for projects. I spent more on a few residence courses in the mid-seventies than I ever spent on techniques, unless you count my time working in the movement as cash spent. But I was there for my own reasons, not for Maharishi. Devotion to a teacher was not my path; my was somewhat undefined, but it was based on a moderately clear experience before I learned any form of meditation, so that experience was my guiding star, the criterion for sorting what to pursue or not. It meant whatever enlightenment was about, it was a larger framework than gurus and organisations, that they were at best in the service or disservice of realisation, and could be sorted in or out on that basis of having an outline, so to speak, of the larger framework. If something did not work, I would tinker with it until it did or I dropped it. There are certain restrictions on what you can do when in the movement, but the main thing was not to turn over one's rational thinking and retain a curious, investigative mind, so one could sort through worth and worthless, and to avoid letting the movement get emotional hooks into you. So Maharishi's shortcomings, and the failings of his lackeys and the general twisted machinations seems to have affected me much less than Michael or Edg as far a negative impressions. Negative and positive impressions were not where it was at for me. You might say I just stumbled through the whole thing and finally got back to where I began. So for me the final result was positive, but I was not sure of that until this last decade. As for now, I do not see the movement has anything to offer of value to me now. If enlightenment is real, it will make one independent of the means that got one there. Any enlightenment movement that fails to recognise this is doomed to become a dark cloud on the awareness of mankind. Transform and release is the process. But most movements only partially transform and do not release, they try to hold on to you. They cannot let you succeed because if you do, you will not need them for anything. So a corrupt spiritual movement wants you to believe certain things so you cannot reason, because you need to be able to reason to work your way through the veil of ignorance, for if you do that, you will see the beliefs are always false, if you go far enough. A spiritual system is like a septic system, crap in one end, and reasonably clear water out the other. A corrupt spiritual system is like a clogged gold-plated sewer pipe. Looks nice on the outside, but inside... From: "awoelfleba...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 2:12 AM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi keeps his promises (was Why MMY's Bhagavad Gita will never be a classic. ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote : On 9/12/2014 12:37 PM, Duveyoung wrote: > > >>WHO THE FUCK ARE YOU, NABBY, THAT YOU CAN SAY "WHAT EDG GOT?" > >> >>My question is, at the risk of getting beat up virtually, what category would >>Xeno create and label for Edg's posts? I'm pretty sure they wouldn't qualify >>for the "fluff" file. >> >>
