I completely disagree with your analys simply because TM isn't
necessary repetition at all.
-- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Hagen J. Holtz"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> >> > The way I heard the story, it was the Shankaracharya, or the
guy
> >> MMY was
> >> > propping up as the Shankaracharya (I can't begin to keep the
> >> details of that
> >> > whole mess straight) who suggested to MMY, during a quick trip
to
> >> India
> >> > during the Fiuggi course, that he offer something more to the
> >> Westerners. So
> >> > Maharishi pulled out a copy of the Yoga Sutras and began
> >> experimenting on
> >> > half a dozen of the M-group types around him (I got this
account
> >> from one of
> >> > them).
> This seems to be mere speculation without argumentative basis. It
is the
> same way typically mystifying circumstances as you are claiming
them instead
> of as "to have been the cause of Maharishi's decision".
>
> The Siddhis are the logic consequence out of TM. Look into the
> Samyama-principle: Dharana ("fixing"), dhyana ("gliding") and
samadhi
> ("landing"). These three parameters (always) form the natural
movement of
> the mind. The result is "concentrating" (ekagrata parinama). In TM
you start
> with fixing the mantra in a repetitive manner. The emphasis is on
dharana.
> Due to the three-guna principle the result is samadhi. In the
siddhis the
> fixing aspect is being put into the back-ground. Emphasis is on
dhyana
> ("coming back to the simplest form of awareness" -= siddhi-
instruction). By
> this you pass through samadhi and end up in dharana (fixation =
> manifestation). This is pure applicable science of mind.
> The sidhis didn't come out until 1977. The 1% effect came
> >> out when
> >> > Domash was reigning physicist in 1974. There was a campaign in
> > the
> >> UK in
> >> > which one of the slogans was "you can be one of the 99 if you
can
> >> get one of
> >> > your friends to be the one." Square root of 1% came out soon
> > after
> >> the
> >> > sidhis, and Domash or Hagelin was physicist at that point. It
was
> >> still
> >> > Domash until about 1980. Anyway, I think the theory preceded
the
> >> research.
> Yes you think but you don't know it. And anyhow it would not have
made any
> difference: In Science either theory precedes experience or vice
versa. This
> is nothing unusual. Important is that later on theory and practice
or the
> other way round have to match this or that way.
> >> > In other words, the theory of 1% or square root of 1% was
bandied
> >> about
> >> > before any societal testing was done. And Maharishi spent
> > countless
> >> hours
> >> > discussing this and lecturing about it. It's not like it was
> >> foisted on him
> >> > by cunning physicists. As always, he was calling the shots.
> Was there any harm in it ?
> He
> > was
> >> tickled
> >> > pink to get a theory that would absolve him from having to get
> > 10%
> >> of the
> >> > world's population meditating, or even 1%. Anyway, I don't
think
> >> this
> >> > particular point has much to do with the failure of the
movement.
> For sure he was looking for some more efficient formula. But this
was just
> for principle reasons and has nothing to do with how many people
were meant
> to be practicing TM.
>
> The failure of the movement is by the way its present success. 99%
of the
> TM-Teachers all over the world have been leaving the movement. Many
of them
> are still teaching. That is, what Maharishi wanted. Because it
secured that
> the secret agents in the movement have no access anymore to destroy
the
> movement. Their assumed success of having been destroying now had
become a
> success for Maharishi to have made so many minds become
independent, not
> anymore bound to the master. This is the lesson of freedom
Maharishi taught
> to us. He is always one step ahead.
>
> The ideal of 10,000 or so at one place can grow now from the very
grass root
> level. Once it has been established from there it will never be
destroyable
> anymore. Maharishi 1979 in Seelisberg: "I have to play a global
game, which
> you may not understand, but which will prevent the movement from
ultimate
> destruction. I have to keep the appearance of the movement
ridiculous. Those
> who are able to think from the heart will yet join and be with us."
>
> It is now up to us to organize and realize this ideal step by step.
>
> >> Although
> >> > the advent of the sidhis sure scared off a lot of respectable
> > folks
> >> who were
> >> > beginning to take it seriously.
>
> What should these folks have been taking more serious than the
siddhis and
> scientific research on TM ? All this sounds a bit talkative from
your end.
>
> In order to reach Kaivalya even the Karma Mimamsa Sutras and the
Vedanta
> Sutras have to be practiced according to the Samyama-Principle.
Only under
> these circumstances the Siddhis could unfold to full extent anyhow.
>
> >>
> >> Thanks Rick, for the History lesson, I needed it. At any rate, it
> >> really
> >> supports my contention that MMY has rested the entire welfare of
> > the
> >> TMorg's success on these bogus studies!!
> There were no bogus studies, there were only bogus interpretations
(see
> those watery wisdoms in the recent mail "Where is the truth ?",
where
> pseudo-yogies are typically misguiding people's minds, ending up in
> confusion like "everything is truth").
> It's psuedo-science, it
> >> hasn't been proven satisfactorily. Remember.."thru the window of
> >> science".
> There was nothing wrong in that statement. But science on TM got
obviously
> suppressed by CIA and other conspiraceous groups. Why the fourth
state of
> consciousness has not yet been part of general physiology so far ?
> We might as well replace Guru Dev's picture with that of
> >> the greatest scientest of our age, the great John Hagelin!!
MMY's
> >> biggest mistake was, is, and always will be, the Siddhi's
program!
>
> The biggest mistake is that people are obviously not practicing
this program
> regularly, because it is time-consuming, and money does not rain
from the
> sky in order to allow a man to invest so much time in that daily.
>
> Viktor Schauberger from Austria similar like Tesslar had shown the
way to
> get out of dependence already in the Thirties (he was one of the
fathers of
> discovering the reality of "free energy").
> If we had his technologies as part of our homes meanwhile, we all
would find
> more time to excercise the siddhis regularly.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Unless you happen to find the Siddhis program of personal use, of
> > course...
>
> I definitely find it of personal use. Don't critizize the master so
much,
> change and deepen your vision !
>
> Hagen
>
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