salyavin, again what I notice is that as transparency increases, so too do the attempts to squelch it. But fortunately some of these movements are like giant snowballs rolling down a snowy mountain. Ain't nothing gonna stop them!
On Monday, October 20, 2014 9:41 AM, salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : salyavin, he actually commented that dissent is good and increased transparency is good. So those are also wins. Just to be really picky wicky (-: You kind of remind me of something my youngest sister said to me back in 2002 when I was leaving MUM campus. She asked why I didn't stay in the TMO and change from there. Now, 12 years later, I think I know why. I needed to become the change I want to see. My guess is Pope Francis is already highly developed and so can change from inside the org. What is the current jail term for trolling? 6 months, if you are really naughty to someone famous and the subsequent story hits the press. The government like to appear like they are doing something useful even though we've already got harassment and abusive behaviour laws. Inventing new crimes for these reasons never ends well, our anti-terrorism laws are vague enough that the police can arrest you for just about anything and hold you without charge for 36 hours, should they want to. This has been used on environmental protesters and a comedian who was about to give a talk on the arms trade. Hardly the intended targets but handy for the government. What I see here is a new way of controlling free speech about to get put on the statute books without anyone noticing. I believe the term is crisis capitalism, make the most out of something bad and tell everyone it's for their own good. On Monday, October 20, 2014 7:21 AM, salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <sharelong60@...> wrote : Not your headline, salyavin, The Guardian's, calling Pope Francis a loser. wrt your Subject line, I like that it highlights empathy. But the lack is in many of the bishops, not in the Pope. I think he's a ray of light in the Catholic Church. We'll see if the ray brings along other rays (-: Oh good. But he did lose the vote so that makes him a loser in this case, and being stuck in a hideous organisation like the Catholic church doesn't help him in the slightest as far as I'm concerned (all that guilt and blood drinking). If he wants to fight their bigotry he should leave and campaign for equality from the outside. But being a pope he's probably unlikely to do that, so slow change from within is a better bet. Bring on the rays, the dawn starts with just one if I remember correctly. But it must be weird living philosophically so far back in the middle ages all the time, I can't imagine it. They've got so much catching up to do, I suppose we should be thankful that they are even talking about joining the 21st century. BTW the green figure in the bottom right of the cartoon is a troll. The UK is thinking about quadrupling the jail term for "offensive internet trolling" making it up to 2 years! Another fine bit of public relations driven law making that's destined to be abused by whoever is in power. On Monday, October 20, 2014 6:38 AM, "Share Long sharelong60@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Thanks, salyavin, good article. But I think the headline is pretty dumb. If one reads the Pope Francis' quote, it's obvious he's a winner. What the situation says to me is that wherever light is strongest, in this case Pope Francis, there too will the dark be strongest, in this case the bishops. On Monday, October 20, 2014 3:20 AM, salyavin808 <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Catholic bishops veto gay-friendly statements leaving Pope Francis the loser Catholic bishops veto gay-friendly statements leaving... Final report of Roman Catholic extraordinary synod on the family removes talk of ‘welcoming’ gay people View on www.theguardian.com Preview by Yahoo