MJ, I don't know who Tom Allen is, but Scott Terry is the mental health care professional who wrote the initial letter to the MUM leadership that got all this going.
Since all the misunderstandings have been going on for decades, it's reasonable to expect that it will take some time for all the necessary changes to be made. And there are bound to be lapses by individuals here and there. But there is definitely progress and good dialogue and people taking useful actions to help. On Tuesday, October 28, 2014 8:12 AM, "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> wrote: Isn't Tom Allen the health care professional who started this whole thing? Please fill us in - how did the Movement bash him? From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2014 7:31 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] FFL Mental Health, Hating, Turq, and Belief in God is a form of mental illness The FairfieldMental Health Alliance October5th Meeting Notes Youasked: What did you think about (the Oct 5 meeting) last night?Lookthis has been about creating change and that meeting was a timelyshowing of some progress of change. The meeting was not theconclusive meeting but it does show the movement has changed some andall the people on stage help show the integration this is taking. Onthe left hand of the stage as the audience viewed it were all thesedifferent practicing clinical professionals who also have integratedalternative modalities in to their practices as they are useful andhave basis, and then Pat on the right side clarifying and holding upthe movement's franchise. Pat did quite a deft job clarifying onbehalf of the movement and Maharishi. Afterall, it was a movementcommunity meeting. Pat is really quite controlled smart, homey,funny, and theatrical all at once. I enjoyed watching him. It was really quite brilliant. This is the second meeting wherehe has spoken for our collective practical concern as to compassionand our working to help people solve mental health issues beingessentially compassionate.. [very buddhistic? ] Itwill be very interesting to hear when that language of compassiongets picked up, adopted and used by spokespersons up the chain of TMcommand. That actually is extremely interesting that he is changingthe inside by leading with that idea. It has always been said that TMis without heart, well then if it is not a trick then we see thismovement of the movement from the upper level around this wholemental health thing is showing some heart, even though it took boxingthem in to a corner to help them show it. This is quite a change. Questionof course now is the carry-through. There is more work to do tofigure out the practical delivery of policy. The clinic, type ofcredentialed staffing, and how they are going to administrate thosetrip-wire questions on their forms. That MUM student who spoke in the Q and A was veryeffective at holding their feet to the fire once again in public. They got to come up with more compassion to show on that one forpeople to believe them. Itis about showing change on their part. Compassion? Theiradministrative banishing of Tom Allen was not the timely example ofany change there. Opps. An long-time old meditator and yes withcriticisms of the organization which they were soliciting to hear,but an apostate? No, not then. Hurt now? yes. Notgreat timing for the handling of one of the poster persons of Fairfield Cares. Incrementallythe meeting was an important meeting strategically. It will beanother step when they have the confidence to post the policy topoint to on their webpage.-Buckin the Dome Okay,things change. Git ready for change. Things are changing inside TM.There yet are a lot of good people in TM for good reasons and theorganizational model and processes has changed since the demise ofthe founder. There is a lot more transparency and process. We'll seeif you can change around this. -Buckon the Ground in Fairfield salyavin808asks:So,what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they goingto do about it? DatelineFairfield, Iowa. The Oct 21st meeting? It was one in a continuation ofworking meetings held about mental health in the community that havebeen ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under theworking banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These areworking meetings of people who are interested in being activleyinvolved in helping with communal mental health. On alternatingTuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays isthe large group meeting where the committees bring their work. Thelarger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot hasbeen done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months tofacilitate mental health in to the community. The meetings are opento interested people who would be actively involved. They are notgripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but workingmeetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate.Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previousmeeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the presentation anddistribution of the campus guideline for psychological healthtreatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people. This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to the culturalthings that may underlie meditator communal mental health.Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rankin the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of students, graduates of thewhole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, andmovement leadership. It was extremely well facilitated lastingwithin and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak andparticipate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone wasasked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questionsin short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and posterboards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read throughout the meeting. Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words andwithout statement what do you see the problem is here in thecommunity culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went aroundthe room. Then once everything was on the boards in front ofeveryone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about allthat was said? It went around the room to everyone includingmovement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range offeelings.Lastlarge question of the group was something like, in five words whatshould be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again timewas taken to go entirely around the room and the answers wererecorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read.That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These werepertinent action points. Inthe end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were themost important points offered in the meeting. That data then willsubsequently generate a report with priority for a future meetingabout what it might take to change the culture of the movement aroundmental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to continue,,# #Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and go forth and havea better day. JaiGuru Dev,-Buck in the Dome ?“..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire thegusto!” No,we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts thatmake: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity andtone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts Ifeel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith more in Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after reading theLenz book that was posted here. It is that simple also. I alwaysread the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'beenthere' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience likeFleet's, and now I feel I have an even better understanding of him asa critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL. Context oftenis everything. Thatis something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, thatit often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part ofthat process when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtueof her mind about things and by life experience as context aboutthings here. Some here have been pricks and Ann may be prickly towards people attimes. Rick seems to welcome almost everyone contributing to therelated topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for that. Publicforum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny. Therewas an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield whereeverything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up apparatchiks of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the organizationbeing beyond theocratic control, FFL has long been a part of the calculus of the meditating Fairfield communal culture. Thereis a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of theattention of public forum. Turq in his way has been part of that foryears by force of his experience, personality and writing. I wouldmiss him if he gets entirely hounded or completely embarrassed off ofthis forum. In the same way I feel it was really mean the way theyhounded Judy personally off this list and out of this community.Rick and the moderators should have stopped that before the end. Iwould hope we could all be kinder with one another in process. JaiGuru Dev, -Buckin the Dome Om, Dear MJ; under a theory that ethics is a leading economic indicator of organizational life, could your vitriolic level as to TM, the Maharishi and the meditation he promulgated and some of TM's past leadership be malleable if the new TM movement has changed its ethical code and behavior? Or, are you locked in to your feelings and opinion? Just wondering. I am seeing quite a lot of change [movement] in the new TM movement. 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