You are correct - I was referring to the letter that Pagels wrote which I also
posted but I see in hind sight that you were referring to the first post and
not the full letter - I stand corrected.
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From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
<FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 3:04 PM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics
On 11/05/2014 11:42 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
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>Why don't you ask Pagels if he has a degree in physics? Just because you want
>there to be a correlation between quantum physics and meditation ain't gone
>make it so.
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>"certainly could be coded in Indian science" - this is a horseshit
>observation. Prove it and then Pagels will have to eat his words.
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This is the narcissism of believing that our current civilization is
the most advanced that EVER existed on this planet. That can't be
correlated because real scientists have figured that after 5000 year
much evidence of a civilization would have deteriorated. All you
get is stone masonry and broken pottery.
You are also misreading the post. Pagels says nothing about ayurveda - the
author merely referred to Chopra as a defender of ayurveda. Pagels is
specifically addressing the idea that modern physics is found in ancient Hindu
claptrap and that the claptrap is validated by modern physics.
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You don't even read the stuff you post?
However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of The Cosmic Code: Quantum Physics
as the Language of Nature vehemently rejects the notion that there is any
significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and the
metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. "No qualified physicist that I know would
claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud," says Dr.
Pagels.
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> From: "Bhairitu noozg...@sbcglobal.net [FairfieldLife]"
> <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
>Sent: Wednesday, November 5, 2014 2:26 PM
>Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Hindu Physics
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>Do you have a physics degree, Michael? A bit of what is in physics goes back
>centuries to Greece and other countries like China and yup probably India as
>well. It's just observation and certainly could be coded in Indian science.
>Pagels must not know biochemistry or just thought that ayurveda uses exotic
>herbs he didn't have access too. Examining the chemical properties of
>cinnamon, ginger, fennel, cloves he might have had a different opinion.
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>On 11/05/2014 11:02 AM, Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]
>wrote:
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>>The notion that ancient Hindu mysticism is just quantum physics wrapped in
>>metaphysical garb seems to have originated with Fritjof Capra in his book The
>>Tao of Physics: An Exploration of the Parallels Between Modern Physics and
>>Eastern Mysticism (1975).
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>>The book's first two parts are excellent expositions on ancient religions and
>>modern physics. The third part, which tries to connect the two is an abysmal
>>failure and about the purest poppycock this side of Bombay.
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>>Nevertheless, it has been this third part which has influenced numerous New
>>Age energy medicine advocates to claim that quantum physics proves the
>>reality of everything from chi and prana to ESP.
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>>The idea that there is such a connection is denied by most physicists but
>>books like Capra's and Gary Zukav's The Dancing Wu Li Masters : An Overview
>>of the New Physics (1976) overshadow and are much more popular than more
>>sensible books written by physicists.
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>>Chopra and other defenders of Ayurveda, following Capra and Zukav, are fond
>>of claiming that modern physics has substantially validated ancient Hindu
>>metaphysics.
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>>However, physicist Heinz R. Pagels, author of The Cosmic Code: Quantum
>>Physics as the Language of Nature vehemently rejects the notion that there is
>>any significant connection between the discoveries of modern physicists and
>>the metaphysical claims of Ayurveda. "No qualified physicist that I know
>>would claim to find such a connection without knowingly committing fraud,"
>>says Dr. Pagels.
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>>The claim that the fields of modern physics have anything to do with the
>>"field of consciousness" is false. The notion that what physicists call "the
>>vacuum state" has anything to do with consciousness is nonsense. The claim
>>that large numbers of people meditating helps reduce crime and war by
>>creating a unified field of consciousness is foolishness of a high order.
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>>>The presentation of the ideas of modern physics side by side, and apparently
>>>supportive of, the ideas of the Maharishi about pure consciousness can only
>>>be intended to deceive those who might not know any better.
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>>>Reading these materials authorized by the Maharishi causes me distress
>>>because I am a man who values the truth. To see the beautiful and profound
>>>ideas of modern physics, the labor of generations of scientists, so
>>>willfully perverted provokes a feeling of compassion for those who might be
>>>taken in by these distortions. I would like to be generous to the Maharishi
>>>and his movement because it supports world peace and other high ideals. But
>>>none of these ideals could possibly be realized within the framework of a
>>>philosophy that so willfully distorts scientific truth (Pagels).
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>>From:
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>>http://www.skepdic.com/chopra.html
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>>Deepak Chopra - The Skeptic's Dictionary - Skepdic.com
>>From Abracadabra to Zombies | View All a b c d e f g h i j k l m n o p q r
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