So people are talking openly about the fact that long term TM and TMSP'ers
sometimes attempt suicide and some attempts are successful? Are they openly
discussing the specific suicides that have occurred right there in Fairfield
for decades?
Anyone mention the purusha man who set himself afire in the basement of
Marshy's home in Vlodrop?
Anyone talking about the culture of denial that has existed for decades in the
Movement, the ignore the problem, blame the victim for not meditating properly
or being off the program culture?
Until these and the other aspects of TM and TMSP links to suicide are
addressed, the MOVEMENT is doing nothing and the TM community is still ignoring
the problems in their entirety. Now be a good TM sycophant and deny my words
here.
So far it appears that the MOVEMENT's response has been to lie, deny and then
send out a cardiologist to blabber about "Vedic psychiatry" claiming to have
found the definitive Vedic remedies in the vedas for mental problems - yeah I
watched the entire video L English posted where Schneider's vedic remedies
were listen to the patient tell you their problems, tell them to not think such
un-sattvic thoughts, tell them to think sweet thoughts, listen to spiritual
stuff (like the Gita or sama veda) and do TM.
What bullshit.
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From: "Share Long sharelon...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
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To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 10:37 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] FF Mental Health Alliance: Shifting Cultural
Attitudes Subcommittee
MJ, the REAL news is that suicide is being addressed openly in the TM community
and has been for a few months.
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From: "Michael Jackson mjackso...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]"
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To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:54 AM
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] FF Mental Health Alliance: Shifting Cultural
Attitudes Subcommittee
I've got news for you Buck - until the link between TM , TMSP practice and the
absurd culture of Vedic everything where anything but praising TM is frowned
upon and suicides is addressed out in the open you will NEVER get a handle on
suicides and the mental/emotional states that lead to suicide in ANY Movement
community.
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From: "dhamiltony...@yahoo.com [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, November 11, 2014 7:15 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] FF Mental Health Alliance: Shifting Cultural Attitudes
Subcommittee
Towards Actionable
Plans..
Dear
Committee Members;
The focus of the next working meeting will be
on implementation of the stage plans of the various subgroups.
[currently 11.11.2014] We are now at the point of developing an
implementation of each of the goals. Come join us. We want you
to join us.
This is being sent this out to all so you know what the Shifting
Cultural Attitudes Subcommitteeis working on. This 'Cultural Group' is working
through a process of
creating a Strategic Plan so we can take all the wonderful ideas we
have been banging around and create an actionable plan out of them.
Find attached an explanation of writing SMART goals and a template
for the team leader to fill out for the goals your group were working
on during Tuesday night's meeting. When the team leader has entered
the information into the actionable plan template, please forward to
Ken Daley for inclusion in the Strategic Plan.
At previous Alliance working meetings two working subgroups formed and met —
the “MUM/MSAE” group and the “Outreach and Education” group.
Those two groups met again last week. Thank you to everyone in those
groups for stepping up and contributing in this way. Please contact
your group liaison to check on if you are meeting this coming week,
and on what work needs to be done between the sessions.
Template
Explanation:
Writing
SMART Goals
STEP
1: Understanding
the nature of SMART goal writing
There
are several variations of the mnemonic SMART. For the purposes
of our Mental Health Alliance exercise we will use the
following.
S pecific
M easurable
A ttainable
R elevant
T ime
Bound
Specific: The
more specific and detailed your description, the greater the chances
of realizing your goal.
Measurable:
In the specific statement from above you stated the outcome you were
hunting for. Now is your chance to find measurable steps to attain
your goal.
Attainable: Calculate
your ROI (Return On Investment). Are the effort and time you devote
to the execution of this goal worth it?
Relevant: Will
the achievement of this goal puts you closer to your even larger
scale goals? Is this important to our mission?
Time
Bound:
You need to put deadlines and a linear sequence on the tasks needed
to reach the goal. Nothing will kill a project quicker than not being
able to see an end point to achieving the goal.
STEP
2: Writing
SMART goals
To
help guide you in writing SMART goals for our Mental Health Strategic
Plan we will use the following template. After you write the goal
using the template and all the columns are filled out, go back to
STEP 1 and see if your goal meets the SMART criteria. If yes,
move on to writing more goals. If no, you know what to do ;-)
Work
in Progress... If
you wish to be part of one of the other
groups that were listed (still
being developed and waiting for more people), or if you want to
create a group that is not yet listed, please let us know.
-
Fairfield Mental Health Alliance
FF Mental Health Alliance Tuesday, 10/28/14
Working Session:
Agenda:
Yes, let’s use Tuesday’s meeting to identify our specific points of focus:
* We will be primarily focused on following-up on the great work that
Ken did last week on culture and this community.
* We will be checking in with everyone if there are other announcements
or issues that need to be addressed.
* We will also look at some of the website updates, as well as other
projects that need to be addressed.
*
* Other past areas that we will also address, as time permits:
* Updates and recommendations/action steps from the groups?
* Fairfield Mental Help website — content gathering and assembling?
* Ideas for follow-up community meetings?
* Progress from Mental Health First Aid meeting?
* Any residual dissuasion from last Sundays big meeting on campus that
needs to be addressed?
* What do we create now from this work?
* Next event on, or off, campus?
* Check in on how we’re doing on the whole. Are we headed in the right
direction? Any course corrections needed? Any further suggestions?
* Hear from each of the small groups on their progress.
* See if we have enough people to form the Resources group we planned
on, and enough professionals to form the Professionals group.
* Meet again in small groups — since this is where the action is at
this point.
* Individually check in as to what you are up to in creating a
difference our community, and if you need any support from the rest of the
group, or find out if you have suggestions and ideas for the rest of the group.
"Let’s do think of the most interesting, useful, practical, informative,
behavior-and-attitude-changing topics we can." Craig
Let me know if there are any agenda items that you personally have that you
want to develop at this meeting, please let me know. If you are not on Atrium,
or have not been on there since last week, please log on and contribute your
thoughts. We want to hear what you are thinking.
Looking forward to seeing all of you again.
The Fairfield
Mental Health Alliance
October
5th Meeting Notes
You
asked: What did you think about (the Oct 5 meeting) last night?
Look
this has been about creating change and that meeting was a timely
showing of some progress of change. The meeting was not the
conclusive meeting but it does show the movement has changed some and
all the people on stage help show the integration this is taking.
On
the left hand of the stage as the audience viewed it were all these
different practicing clinical professionals who also have integrated
alternative modalities in to their practices as they are useful and
have basis, and then Pat on the right side clarifying and holding up
the movement's franchise. Pat did quite a deft job clarifying on
behalf of the movement and Maharishi. Afterall, it was a movement
community meeting. Pat is really quite controlled smart, homey,
funny, and theatrical all at once. I enjoyed watching him.
It was really quite brilliant.
This is the second meeting where
he has spoken for our collective practical concern as to compassion
and our working to help people solve mental health issues being
essentially compassionate.. [very buddhistic? ]
It
will be very interesting to hear when that language of compassion
gets picked up, adopted and used by spokespersons up the chain of TM
command. That actually is extremely interesting that he is changing
the inside by leading with that idea. It has always been said that TM
is without heart, well then if it is not a trick then we see this
movement of the movement from the upper level around this whole
mental health thing is showing some heart, even though it took boxing
them in to a corner to help them show it. This is quite a change.
Question
of course now is the carry-through. There is more work to do to
figure out the practical delivery of policy. The clinic, type of
credentialed staffing, and how they are going to administrate those
trip-wire questions on their forms. That MUM student who spoke in the Q and A
was very
effective at holding their feet to the fire once again in public.
They got to come up with more compassion to show on that one for
people to believe them.
It
is about showing change on their part. Compassion? Their
administrative banishing of Tom Allen was not the timely example of
any change there. Opps. An long-time old meditator and yes with
criticisms of the organization which they were soliciting to hear,
but an apostate? No, not then. Hurt now? yes. Not
great timing for the handling of one of the poster persons of
Fairfield Cares.
Incrementally
the meeting was an important meeting strategically. It will be
another step when they have the confidence to post the policy to
point to on their webpage.
-Buck
in the Dome
Okay,
things change. Git ready for change. Things are changing inside TM.
There yet are a lot of good people in TM for good reasons and the
organizational model and processes has changed since the demise of
the founder. There is a lot more transparency and process. We'll see
if you can change around this.
-Buck
on the Ground in Fairfield
mjackson74 wrote :
The fact that they had that ['Explicative Deleted] Bob Schneider, a
cardiologist, doing a lecture on Vedic psychiatry which was primarily more
Movement bullshit of think sweet thoughts, don't think negative thoughts, read
Hindoo scriptures and do TM - that says what the Movement really thinks and is
doing about TM suicides than the community meetings they are participating in
ONLY to save face and put on a good show until they can get the people
suffering from depression alone to tell them its their fault, their karma, they
just aren't pure enough yet, so more TM Siddhi practice and some yagyas as well
as a good big fat donation to the Movement will cure them.
salyavin808asks:
So,
what happened at the meeting, who said what and what are they going
to do about it?
Dateline
Fairfield, Iowa. The Oct 21st meeting? It was one in a continuation of
working meetings held about mental health in the community that have
been ongoing for months now most every Tuesday going under the
working banner of the Fairfield Mental Health Alliance. These are
working meetings of people who are interested in being activley
involved in helping with communal mental health. On alternating
Tuesdays are working committee meetings while on the off Tuesdays is
the large group meeting where the committees bring their work. The
larger meetings are very business like organized by agenda. A lot has
been done [accomplished in very tangible ways] over several months to
facilitate mental health in to the community.
The meetings are open
to interested people who would be actively involved. They are not
gripe sessions where people just hate, bitch and complain, but working
meetings looking for action steps to work on and facilitate.
Different aspects have been focused on and worked on within the ongoing previous
meeting process. Last month before this last meeting the other night was the
presentation and
distribution of the campus guideline for psychological health
treatment. That was a historic meeting and showed the work of a lot of people.
This current meeting the other night was a facilitated meeting getting down to
the cultural
things that may underlie meditator communal mental health.
Everything came on to the table. It was really well facilitated. Evidently it
is now time in the process to really consider elements of our culture. There
were about 40 people around the room of various ages and rank
in the community. The meeting had a cross-section representation of
students, graduates of the
whole school system, long-term community meditators, campus people, and
movement leadership.
It was extremely well facilitated lasting
within and hour or so such that everyone was asked to speak and
participate in a series of rounds around the room where everyone was
asked by the facilitator who ran the meeting to respond to particular questions
in short and those comments were captured on whiteboard and poster
boards by scribes in front of everyone to be kept and read through
out the meeting.
Starting with a question something like, in only a few limited words and
without statement what do you see the problem is here in the
community culture with mental health? 5 or so words. It went around
the room. Then once everything was on the boards in front of
everyone came the next question, in a word how do you feel now about all
that was said? It went around the room to everyone including
movement leadership. 'Hopeful' was a common comment among a range of
feelings.
Last
large question of the group was something like, in five words what
should be done to effect change in the communal culture? Again time
was taken to go entirely around the room and the answers were
recorded by scribes on boards in front of the whole group to read.
That went around the whole room and everything was said without comment or
discussion. It just moved around the room to everyone. These were
pertinent action points.
In
the end of the meeting then everyone was asked to come forward and physically
vote with a limited number of hash-marks to what they felt were the
most important points offered in the meeting. That data then will
subsequently generate a report with priority for a future meeting
about what it might take to change the culture of the movement around
mental health. It was all very open and very well done. Communal process to
continue,,
# #
Now, as the science evidently does seem to indicate do take some quiet time for
effective transcendent meditation for the welfare of your mental health and go
forth and have
a better day.
Jai
Guru Dev,
-Buck in the Dome
?
“..the role of principle Barry hater - and you have to admire the
gusto!”
No,
we all rate posts as we may read them on spectrum; from posts that
make: Observations, to suggestions, to criticism, by negativity and
tone, to apostasy, thence to active anger and hating. In reading these posts I
feel Ann through reading the individual postings here simply lost some faith
more in Turq by her better understanding of his writing and approach here after
reading the
Lenz book that was posted here. It is that simple also.
I always
read the Turq and feel he has a valid perspective from having 'been
there' at a time, by his contrast with spiritual experience like
Fleet's, and now I feel I have an even better understanding of him as
a critic from this recent Freddy Lenz/Rama thread on FFL. Context often
is everything.
That
is something that is particularly good about the writing on FFL, that
it often can render down what is truth. Judy was very much part of
that process when she was here. Ann also helps with that by virtue
of her mind about things and by life experience as context about
things here. Some here have been pricks and Ann may be prickly towards people
at
times. Rick seems to welcome almost everyone contributing to the
related topics of FairfieldLife. I thank Rick for that. Public
forum is often one of the best checks against theocratic tyranny.
There
was an amazing open meeting last night in meditating Fairfield where
everything was on the table in front of a bunch of the higher-up apparatchiks
of the new TM movement. For upward pressures on the organization
being beyond theocratic control, FFL has long been a part of the calculus of
the meditating Fairfield communal culture.
There
is a lot of change going on inside right now by virtue of the
attention of public forum. Turq in his way has been part of that for
years by force of his experience, personality and writing. I would
miss him if he gets entirely hounded or completely embarrassed off of
this forum. In the same way I feel it was really mean the way they
hounded Judy personally off this list and out of this community.
Rick and the moderators should have stopped that before the end.
I
would hope we could all be kinder with one another in process.
Jai
Guru Dev,
-Buck
in the Dome
Om, Dear MJ; under a theory that ethics is a leading economic indicator of
organizational life, could your vitriolic level as to TM, the Maharishi and the
meditation he promulgated and some of TM's past leadership be malleable if the
new TM movement has changed its ethical code and behavior? Or, are you locked
in to your feelings and opinion? Just wondering. I am seeing quite a lot of
change [movement] in the new TM movement. Does that kind of healthy change
dismay your position?
Kindly,
-Buck
