---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <punditster@...> wrote :
On 11/14/2014 8:36 PM, steve.sundur wrote: > Barry, your greatness is unparalleled. > Barry is one of the greatest cases of cognitive dissonance that I have ever seen on discussion group: He believes his Facebook friends are stalking him, yet he sent them an invite. Everyone stalked him over here, but he sent a message challenging us to a debate. We hate him because we are so JELLOS of his temporary subjective, enlightenment experiences. You need to understand, Steve, that here is a guy that spent decades reading wisdom books and chasing after the enlightenment experience; donating tens of thousands of dollars just to witness magic tricks performed on a stage. Yet, he still can't perform a single magic trick, he isn't enlightened, he can't fly or levitate himself, or even PROVE a single spiritual experience. For all his effort, his spiritual quest was a total loss according to Xeno. Barry got nothing, nada, bupkis. He got the T-shirt but he didn't even get a spiritual name and had to make up one - Uncle Tantra - when he wrote his own wisdom book. After he got kicked out of the cult, in an act of lonely desperation he went on social media to try and teach others how to act enlightened, but instead he was humiliated and got the shit beat out him for ten years by The Corrector. We need to help this guy but he doesn't seem to want any help from his friends. Go figure. > ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> mailto:turquoiseb@... wrote : This story from the Puranas is the very reason for my Do Not Read List. My stalkers are free to pick up any of my qualities that they wish to by focusing so intently on their hatred for me, while by ignoring them and not even reading what they write I pick up nothing from them. Win-win. :-) From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 8:56 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good Thanks Michael and Barry. The funniest kicker to the story is that according to the Puranas, a demon can gain enlightenment by a steady opposition to Krishna. So the only thing that will happen from this circle jerk is that we gain Maharishi's "purity" and Buck gains our "impurity." Not a bad deal huh?! ---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> mailto:mjackson74@... wrote : One of the bests post I have ever seen on FFL - thanks Curtis. Very interesting to read Marshy's pontifications in context. From: "curtisdeltablues@... [FairfieldLife]" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, November 14, 2014 2:13 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Maharishi on Not Speaking Ill of Others + Finding Something Good in Others and Talking about that Good C: Since Buck decided to take a swipe at me well I have been off the board, I will take a moment to make my own case: that Buck comically misunderstands the meaning of Maharishi's message as usual and idiotically thinks it might serve as a weapon against people who think differently than he does. The hysterical perversion of the intention of Maharishi's words being used as a justification of his doing EXACTLY what Maharishi is warning against is too good to miss. Plus it gives me a chance to comment on Maharishi's style of self promotions as a special guy that seems to have worked so well on Buck. My comments will be interspersed with Maharishi's below Don't Speak Ill, Remain Pure, 1964 Everyone has to discharge one's duty towards himself and towards spreading of this meditation in whatever capacity one can. And never undermine any other's attempt or desires in whatever humble way it may be. C: The context is his teachers who were bitching about each other. Maharishi wants them to get back to work pitching his product and STFU about their personality problems with each other. One thing of very great importance: that now when you have been meditating for some time, purity has grown in life quite a lot. As the mind gains more and more of the Being, mind becomes more and more pure. C: Again setting the context, this applies to those who are of a level of purity where this kind of magical effect takes place. He is not making a broad statement about all people and is not addressing this to non meditators. By applying it to Barry and Michael and me, Buck is saying that our consciousness is as pure as his so this should be a problem for us too. In Maharish's system, like that of the Laws of Manu, there are different instructions for behavior for each level of consciousness. He is not instructing Buck to run around like a clucking hen berating people like me who are acting according to my own level of consciousness according to his system. He is directing this to insiders who want or care about his opinions. It is not a scold to be used to beat others over the head, it is an insiders tip for insiders. But one thing which you have to be very cautious about is that you don't think evil of anyone, don't speak ill of anyone. Otherwise speaking ill and thinking ill of someone, dwelling on the weaknesses of someone, all their bad qualities come to your heart; [this way] you get your heart and mind spoiled. C: Here is where it gets even funnier. For Buck worry to be valid, the things we are saying about Maharishi must be true. He is not denying that people have real "weaknesses", he is saying that those real weakness come into your heart for paying attention to them. So only in the case where Maharishi is an actual con man shyster, or whatever other criticism had been leveled does this influence come into play. And none of it has anything to do with my own critiques of Maharishi's belief system. He is not condemning all philosophical disagreement or he would be condemning Shankara's main activity traveling around India and debating with and arguing his points with opposing view points. Buck is misusing the intention of this instruction because he has intellectual boundary problems with people who don't share his provincial view of the world. So when through meditation, purity is growing in life, we don't invite this mud from outside to make us impure anymore. We have to be cautious against our thoughts that we don't think ill of anyone, and we don't do ill to anyone naturally. C: Again, the point is for people who in the system have gained this imaginary purity, it is not a universal instruction for outsiders. Speaking ill of others is a very bad.... We say it makes the cloth dirty, makes the whole personality very dirty and impure. That we have to guard against in our dealings and feelings with people. Very important; very, very important. It is as important as daily practice of meditation. C: So WTF is Buck doing chasing us around, drawing our "mud" to himself? If what we are doing it is impure, then by dwelling on and attacking us Buck is violating the very purpose of the instruction, while at the same time thinking it is a way to put us down? Now THAT's funny. In the olden days in India, there was a practice that if some man did some great sin, then the way to repent it was that he would cover his body with a cloth like that and will go to any village. Standing out of the village, he would shout out: my name is such and such, and I come from that village, and I happened to be doing like that and like that and like that. He would just announce it and go ahead, and keep on announcing from village to village. And the effect was: all the people who heard him, if in their evening meetings with their fellow men, they talk about that, then the contention is that they partake of his sin and after some time he becomes pure. Just by talking about the sinner, the people who talk about him share his sin. This is very dangerous. Someone has done something wrong and if we dwell on that and talk it over with someone, we have been affected by that sin and we spread that sin; we partake of his sin and take it upon us. C: I agree with Maharishi that olden day India was full of idiotic practices. Anyone who has done any mistake there or there or there, we just don't speak of it. Otherwise we (Message over 64 KB, truncated)
