As soon as one stops anticipating higher states of consciousness then
they will easily come. Maybe because I was always struggling for income
until the 1990s, enlightenment was not at the top of my priorities
list. In fact I recall MMY saying "survival first, enlightenment second."
And he also had this little joke about people being told that God was
coming and they all so obsessed with the idea he was coming that they
missed the plane he was on. :-D
On 12/26/2014 09:53 PM, lengli...@cox.net [FairfieldLife] wrote:
Like as not, a lot of people ARE in CC (whether via the practice of
TM, or "just because") but don't see it as a big deal because, as MMY
points out, it is "merely normal."
Of course, the sine qua non of CC is that one has PC even during deep
sleep, so perhaps that is lacking in many people...
I have the opposite issue: "witnessing sleep" has been around almost
continuously (except during a few life-threatening illnesses over the
decades) within a few weeks that I first learned TM. It's the waking
state integration that appears to be lacking, although...
When I inadvertently went off prozac abruptly a few years ago, and had
12 hours of non-stop, viciously and horrifically violent suicidal
ideation, I still had permanent presence of pure sense-of-self that
was untouched by the rather Grade-Z horror movie continuously running
through my mind, and I never felt an urge to act on any of that stuff.
...I'd prefer to think that I'm not really in CC rather than CC being
THIS useless as a "higher" state of consciousness.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <noozguru@...> wrote :
"PC" becomes a screen on which all activity including mental is
played. If I want just pure consciousness, these days I just look at
it. The bigger question is after all these years of sadhana why
doesn't everyone have that experience?
On 12/26/2014 01:47 AM, aryavazhi wrote:
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <LEnglish5@...>
<mailto:LEnglish5@...> wrote :
Um, ok...
The most detailed research on pure consciousness showed that the
subject didn't press a button signalling that they had had a PC
episode until *after* their physiology reverted to normal.
They didn't notice PC. They noticed the transition *out of* PC.
Yes. Just to let you know: it did serve me well for many years - so I
do know it well.
But it is very different from the more fully aware state without any
thought, except for the basic awareness of the state itself. Thought
is so subtle, that you are aware of what is going on, but you cannot
actively think. And it is more related to the chakras and kundalini.
But whatever.
L
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
<mailto:no_re...@yahoogroups.com> wrote :
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
<mailto:FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com>, <LEnglish5@...>
<mailto:LEnglish5@...> wrote :
"But as you said, of course, transcendence has nothing to do with
either having a thought, or having no thought. It is not a
physiological signature, as some keep telling here, a physiological
signature, can only relate to a particular experience, and any
experience is by the mind."
Actually, sensory experiences happen because raw sensory data comes
into the brain via the thalamus and is routed to the cortext via
connections called thalamo-cortical feedback loops.
Internal thinking is perceived when processed data from the cortex is
fed back to the thalamus and merged into the incoming raw sensory
data. This is called thinking.
The process of transcending is when the activity of the thalamus
becomes less and so the funneling of raw sensory data and/or the
merging of processed data becomes less. This happens whenever one
allows the mind to wander but is facilitated by what we call
"Transcendental Meditation."
Which is not the same as you describe below, it maybe less, but is
not zero.
When the thalamus no longer allows ANY data to come in from the
outside and no longer allows ANY processed data to be merged with the
(now non-existent) raw data stream, and yet the part of the thalamus
that promotes the connectivity between distant parts of the cortex
remains functioning normally, one has no internal experience, no
external experience--that is, nt thoughts--and yet the brain is still
alert.
This is samadhi.
In TM what you experience of TC is not fully alert. When you are
fully aware, you already have a thought.
It's not samadhi. Real samadhi is when the kundalini rises to the top
chakra.
And it certainly has a physiological signature: I just described it.
There is a physiological signature, but it has nothing to do with
samadhi, it is only your imagination
L
